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Nominee Brett Kavanaugh

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NanKate Fri 28-Sept-18 08:15:27

Did any of you watch the riveting BBC coverage of the Professor (sorry forgotten her full name) report of the alleged sexual incident over 30 years ago and then BK refuting it.

She was so very brave and came across as a credible person. He was loud, tearful, very boastful and was in fighting mood.

I don’t know what the outcome will be, but it was powerful stuff

BlueBelle Tue 09-Oct-18 08:14:53

I felt truely nauseated listened to trumpet kiss the ground with apologies of the way K had been treated, speaking directly to K’s two daughters telling them you know what a wonderful Daddy you have ( not exact words) etc etc it was puke material
It was a shame he had such a weak and poorly acted (sob in little childish voice) accuser I wish he’d had someone with a strong story to wipe the smile of his face and the mock tears from his eyes

Iam64 Tue 09-Oct-18 07:58:28

I see from today's news that Mr T has announced that Judge K has been cleared, found innocent. Interesting process eh! No proper investigation, no court procedures yet Mr T declares it was all a conspiracy by the dreadful democrats and this man is innocent.
Be afraid world.

Blinko Sun 07-Oct-18 09:34:37

As others have intimated far more articulately, this fellow is creepy and his appointment does nothing to enhance the reputation of the political system in the USA.

Elegran Sun 07-Oct-18 08:48:09

That is anti-democratic with a small d, not just anti-Democrat with a capital D. A politically appointed judiciary puts party above the law, and judges nominated and appointed by a partisan head of state leaves the country open to the rule of a power-hungry autocrat. Courts of law should not be indebted to heads of state, even elected ones.

Elegran Sun 07-Oct-18 08:41:48

You can claim that " . the accusation is timed perfectly to try to destroy his political career isn't it?" but don't lose sight of the fact that the very appointment of this man is perfectly timed to get a supporter of Trump into a lifelong position in the judiciary, where he can push through Trump's dictatorial and antidemocratic policies and influence US legal proceedings for the rest of those career years.

PECS Sun 07-Oct-18 08:11:30

The manipulation of this is stunning! This judge who has behaved throughout the period of accusation and interview in a very undignified and unprofessional manner ...regardless of the truth or otherwise of the accusation... is now a supreme judge! Wake up USA!

Jane10 Sun 07-Oct-18 07:08:12

Oh I really hope the women of America use their votes to tell trump (deliberate small t) and his awful cronies what they think of them.

absent Sun 07-Oct-18 05:07:17

This was a job interview, not a trial in a court of law. Beyond reasonable doubt was not the standard. The way Brett Kavanaugh behaved and his histrionic performance should have been enough to disqualify him. I certainly would never have employed him as a cleaner, dish-washer or clearer-up of cat litter trays, and I doubt if many of you would. It now turns out that another judge, with connection to Brett Kavanaugh, has been sitting on complaints about Kavanaugh for several weeks. The FBI investigation was a farce.

Every American who has half an ounce of brain is aware that appointing him before the mid-term elections in November when the Republicans expect to lose many seats in the House and Senate is in the hope of hustling through a legal case whereby the possibility of being tried for the same crime at both federal and state level can be quashed. I have mixed feelings about this apparent double jeopardy law but I can see that the reason Republicans want it before the elections is that it ensures that if the President pardons criminals who have been convicted by a federal court, they cannot be tried again. If he is convicted in a federal court, it may be possible for him to pardon himself and, then, not be retried in a state court.

Iam64 Sat 06-Oct-18 23:25:55

It’s also a fact that the men in their forties and fifties who were sexually abused by football coaches as boys were immediately believed and seen as heroes for speaking out. The idea that sexual abuse is somehow worse for boys and men perpetuates.

jura2 Sat 06-Oct-18 19:13:50

old men who now come forward with the truth about what happened to them at the hand or Priests, etc- are held as heroes- but women as liars.

Iam64 Sat 06-Oct-18 18:56:20

JenniferEccles, can I ask, do you know anyone who has been the subject of indecent assault or behaviour. Did your working life bring you into contact with rape, indecent assault or similar dreadful experiences?
I don't mean to be rude but your assumption that "women" can make any kind of historical accusation against men and be believed is fairly staggering to me. False allegations to occur, infrequently. Genuine allegations rarely reach the courts. I'm stopping here because I fear people who get it will, well 'get it' and others just won't.

JenniferEccles Sat 06-Oct-18 17:52:55

We seem have got the stage where a woman can claim to have been assaulted by a man many many years ago, and, as has been seen by most of the comments on here, she is believed.

As nigglynellie said, where is the proof that the woman is telling the truth?

I am so cynical as to why she waited til now to accuse him.

Oh yes, silly me, the accusation is timed perfectly to try to destroy his political career isn't it?

BlueBelle Sat 06-Oct-18 17:40:04

Looks like this man will be in, another Trump victory I think there will be trouble in the camp though dissatisfied women aren’t going to disappear the movement seems to be growing

nigglynellie Sat 06-Oct-18 17:16:42

So you have proof Blinko that this man is guilty and that this woman is being totally truthful! Perhaps you could share this info?!

Blinko Sat 06-Oct-18 17:07:22

The US administration sinks to new depths.

JenniferEccles Sat 06-Oct-18 14:02:57

No-one knows the truth about what happened at that party, except the two involved in this case. They had been drinking, and to be honest, to me it just sounds like drunken teenage horseplay which possibly got a bit out of hand. After all the woman isn't claiming she was raped is she?

Also this alleged assault was after all 36 years ago, and that is what I am really struggling with.

WHY on earth did she wait all that time to make this allegation?

winterwhite Sat 06-Oct-18 11:35:08

It's a great pity IMO that the main opposition against BK centred on the Ford case. With such a long time gap and no clear evidence he really couldn't have been declared guilty without setting dangerous precedents. Now of course he will claim himself vindicated. You'd think there were other things against him that could have been made to stick.

NanKate Fri 05-Oct-18 16:51:57

Oh No! I’m glad I don’t live in the US.

BlueBelle Fri 05-Oct-18 15:59:27

He’s been voted through to the next round

NanKate Fri 05-Oct-18 15:33:59

Well it looks as if BK will get in. ? I hope I am wrong.

NanKate Wed 03-Oct-18 14:37:23

PLEASE Don't open the post next to mine it looks dodgy.

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NanKate Wed 03-Oct-18 09:05:38

Absolutely Iam64. Sublty and diplomacy clearly don’t feature on his CV.

Iam64 Wed 03-Oct-18 07:44:00

Yes NanKate, I saw it on facebook. He's a danger to all of us isn't he. In so many different ways.

NanKate Wed 03-Oct-18 07:16:14

Have any of you heard the disgraceful words used by DT at a rally yesterday against Prof Christine’s testimony ? His comments change with the wind.