Northern Ireland and Brexit

jabber well said
I enjoy your factual posts

all will be fine everyone, when we WTO on the 29th, not long now

I think you’ll find that Britain has a great deal to answer for in the history of disputes in Ireland, both north and south. Not just the fault of “knuckleheads across the water”. We can’t just wash our hands of a dispute that was, historically, our making.

annep1
Resent all you like. I stand by my words.
Did I mention you, or was I referring to the troublemakers?
Unless you belong to one of those groups then I see no reason for your prickly attitude.
It's amusing to see people take on the mantle of faux indignation.
My ex lives between NI and another country and I'm absolutely certain that he wouldn't think my slings and arrows were aimed at him.

GabriellaG as a law abiding British citizen of the UK living in Northern Ireland I resent your comments.

varian

That sounds like a quote from Vladimir Putin.

The EU is a richmans club run by the wealthy elite. It bullies countries that don't do its bidding, traps those who want to leave taking its cue from the late USSR, cares little for ordinary people, no audited accounts, unlimited hidden expense accounts and quite frankly it stinks! If only we could get out of this odious organisation, but sadly our politicians are so duplicitous and self serving that any hope of that would seem well and truly scuppered. How depressing is that?!

Is it was possible to "fix stupid" this brexit nonsense would have been killed off years ago.

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I am shocked (perhaps too easily shocked) by the blatant racism of some leave voters on GN. I had hoped that the era of "Irish jokes" had long gone.

Sir Vince Cable, in his final speech to a LibDem conference as party leader targetted Northern Ireland Secretary Karen Bradley for criticism after a series of gaffes.

"It really is quite shocking that this Government is so lacking in talent that it employs a Secretary of State for Northern Ireland who says she doesn't understand sectarian voting patterns and then compounds this public declaration of ignorance with a blatantly and naively one-sided view of the killings in the Troubles," he will say.

The success of Brexit is now in the hands of a small group of MPs "Ms Bradley has revealed an ugly truth: that peace in Ireland matters less than peace in the Conservative Party."

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sir-vince-cable-liberal-democrat-party-conference-brexit-european-union-karen-bradley-a8826661.html

I vote that we cut them adrift, so to speak and let them fight out their differences as they have since time immemorial.

All this, because of some knuckleheads across a certain stretch of water...not La Manche.

So what would actually happen with no deal? These are just some of the consequences:

Trade The UK would revert to World Trade Organisation rules on trade. While Britain would no longer be bound by EU rules, it would have to face the EU’s external tariffs.

The price of goods in shops for Britons could go up as businesses would have to place tariffs on goods imported from the EU.

Some British-made products may be rejected by the EU as new authorisation and certification might be required.

Manufacturers could move their operations to the EU to avoid delays in components coming across the border.

People The UK would be free to set its own controls on immigration by EU nationals and the bloc could do the same for Britons.

There could be long delays at borders if passport and customs checks are heightened. The fate of expats – there are 1.3 million Britons in EU countries and 3.7 million Europeans in Britain – in terms of their rights to live and work would be unclear.

Professionals working in the EU might find their qualifications are no longer recognised, meaning they are no longer able to practice.

Flights to the EU could be grounded as the necessary safety confirmations to cover both ends of the journey might not be in place.

Laws Relevant EU laws would be transferred over so there would be no black holes in Britain’s lawbook. Britain would no longer have to adhere to the rulings of the European Court of Justice but it would be bound to the European Court of Human Rights, a non-EU body.

Money The Government would not have to pay the annual £13 billion contribution to the EU budget. However Britain would lose out on some EU subsidies – the Common Agricultural Policy gives £3 billion to farmers.

The Irish border The issue of the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic would remain unresolved. While physical infrastructure has been vetoed, the border would become an external frontier for the EU in the event of a no deal Brexit. There would be pressure to enforce customs and immigration controls.

inews.co.uk/news/brexit/no-deal-brexit-what-meaning-uk-leave-uk-consequences/

a lovely no deal, WTO brexit is coming, very good news, simple to understand.

True mcem but it's annoying that people say they want change in N I and yet the vast majority still vote DUP or SF.

Isn't it the case as that as long as FPTP is in place, sizeable minorities will always be swamped by the majority, however small? ?

Not everyone in NI supports the (predominantly Protestant) Unionist Parties of the (predominantly Catholic) Nationalist parties. The non-sectarian Alliance Party has support from all communities.
Unfortunately when it comes to elections in Northern Ireland very little changes.

Not everyone in NI supports the (predominantly Protestant) Unionist Parties of the (predominantly Catholic) Nationalist parties. The non-sectarian Alliance Party has support from all communities.

Alliance Party Deputy Leader and Brexit Spokesperson, Stephen Farry MLA, has criticised "shambolic" parliament for failing to outline a clear way forward on Brexit, after MPs supported the principle of extending Article 50, while at the same time failing to determine an alternative way forward to the Withdrawal Deal.

With just over two weeks to go, Dr Farry welcomed moves by some to push for a People's Vote, adding the Labour Party had been exposed for playing political games on the issue.

He said: "It is shocking that Parliament cannot determine what course of action that it wishes to take on Brexit. It is very good at determining what it is against, but not what it is in for.

"It is simply not good enough for Parliament to say that it wants to see an extension of Article 50 without indicating what it is for or even determining a different process for working out a different way forward.

"The European Union will need to see clear evidence of a new approach if there is to be any such extension.

"I welcome that a People's Vote has been tested in Parliament, and would congratulate Sarah Wollaston, the Independent Group and the Liberal Democrats plus others for standing up for democracy and the right of people to have their say in this radically different context to 2016.

"There may be other opportunities to test support in that regard, but equally another chance may never come. All MPs will be accountable for their votes if UK leaves EU against the will of the people. The abstainers may not get another chance, and the Labour Party have been exposed for playing political games through Jeremy Corbyn talking of his support for a second referendum at the end of the debate having passed the opportunity to vote for it.

"For Alliance, the Withdrawal Agreement including the backstop remains the bottom line, and the backstop does need to be banked especially in light of the uncertainty of alternative options."

allianceparty.org/article/2019/0012246/shambolic-parliament-cannot-make-up-its-mind-on-brexit

Thank you Joelsnan

suzied
I maybe your previous post should have been prefixed by:
In my opinion...
It certainly aint mine.

GB means Great Britain, the largest of the British Isles. It does not include Northern Ireland.

My spirits are high, looking forward to GB independence from evil EU.

A good hard proper out Brexit.

celebrate

Brexit is really an English/Tory idea - the Irish are just an inconvenience. ( and the Scots obviously).

I seem to hear that M.Barnier is determined that nothing will be allowed to endanger the Friday aggreement. He has said it 20 times in my hearing when I listen to him on the German News.

The person who is not listening is Mrs May.

"Alexa isn't your post utterly snobbish, disrespectful and dismissive?"

I don't respect divisive actions like the apprentice boys marching. The fife and drums are a good sound a pity about the belief system that accompanies the marchers.

Social classes and education levels are matters of fact,