Nasty Young Tories

because many Conservatives are very keen to privatise the NHS, as we well know

Complete bunkum Jura. Tony Blair, Labour, started privatisation of the NHS anyway..but that's by the by.

You must have missed the bit of Mrs May's speech where she informed us the NHS was getting almost £400 MILLION per WEEK these days..and that she had given the go ahead for cancer clinics throughout the UK, funded and equipped so cancers could be caught earlier.

She also mentioned how the NHS was very precious to all in the UK.

No institution embodies our principles as Conservatives more profoundly or more personally than our National Health Service. It gives every man, woman and child the absolute security of knowing that whenever you are sick, care will be there

What greater freedom than to live your life never having to worry about whether you can afford the treatment you need? What greater opportunity for a country to make the most of all its talents?

The NHS is a service that is there for everyone; free at the point of use; with care based always on clinical need, never the ability to pay. These principles are in our country's DNA

And Conservatives will always uphold them

Doesn't sound to me like she is ever likely to consider selling it off, but do continue to peddle that Labour myth. More and more Labour are relying on lies and scaremongering tactics to paint a picture of the UK on it's knees.

People are becoming aware of this.

Everything is up for discussion / no opinion on this forum unless it breaks the guidelines

Chewbacca, 'your posts are becoming more and more childish and silly now. '

will leave it at that, perhaps.

There is no argument there- he was right- clear as a bell. This is not up for discussion/no opinion - when the Law clearly says he is.

Jura The fact is Femi is totally right.

Chewbacca says that is only Jura’s opinion.

So tell us Chewbacca how you would interpret the legal facts which clearly state that Femi is correct. EU rules allow the Member countries to restrict migrants ability to claim benefits. The UK choose not to use that power.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36449974

ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=460&langId=en

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/31/britain-take-back-control-immigration-eu-directive-brexit?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Again, that's only your opinion jura

Whatever your opinion is, plums or no plums- the fact is, Femi was totally right:

www.facebook.com/OFOCBrexit/videos/331599344066556/

Those of you who believe that many tories do want the NHS to be privatised might care to sign this petition:

weownit.org.uk/ICP-petition-NHS

Campaigners have been fighting against privatisation, and a lot of these contracts are being dropped or transferred to public bodies. It’s not victory yet, but we’re making an impact!

But now, the government wants to change the structure of the NHS so that all health and social care services in one area can be packaged up and contracted out to one big provider, like VirginCare, for up to 15 years at a time in something called an ‘ICP contract’.

We’d lose accountability, patient rights, and there’s a huge risk of mass privatisation.

Grandad would you rather all the grannies and grandads had lost their life savings?

Everyone would have lost their 'life's savings', GG, and a great deal more. The whole money system would have collapsed if banks had had nothing to pay out. There is no knowing what state of looting, rioting and anarchy that would have led to.

Gordon Brown????

What is that supposed to mean?

PFIs, so beloved of both Tory and Labour governments, are costing the NHS dearly, money that could be used for staff salaries and more treatments.
No-one can say that the NHS is safe in either Labour or Tory hands as Labour's track record when in power for 13 years shows.
I believe it should not be used as a political game and should be run differently.

As usual, Private Insurance is happy to make lots of money out of low risk- and leave all the expensive high risks to the State/tax payer.

GrannyGravy13- and yes, it is the system here where I live currently. Everyone has to have Health and accident insurance by Law- and there are many (all private) to choose from. It can cost from about £400 each per person, and an awful lot more, depending on the deductible you pick and any top up for private care. Depending on the deductible, you have to pay that amount first before insurance pays, then you pay 10% of your bills yourself too, up to about £600 per year. For a family, it amounts to a huge sum, and many people with tight budgets don't go, as hey don't have the money for the deductible and the 10%.

In the UK, you know that private insurance won't take you if you have severe illness, handicap or pre-exisiting conditions. The Swiss basic system cannot refuse you, even with the above - but they will refuse you for any top up above basic care.

Grandad would you rather all the grannies and grandads had lost their life savings?

Gordon Brown????

I have always wondered how it can be that five hundred and fifty billion was found to bale out the bankers but no-one or two extra billion can be found to save the NHS.

We are still paying as a nation that five hundred and fifty billion which no one was ever brought to justice for.

We are still paying as a nation for the NHS for which even surgical body parts cannot be incinerated for lack of money to build those incinerators.

How can the above be justified?

True GrannyGravy, the advancement in treatments now since the forties

Jura2 we take out insurance for many things, our boilers breaking down, our smart phones, our drains (which technically aren't our drains) Isn't it the duty of those who can pay - to pay!

'many' does not mean 'all' and therefore is not a sweeping generalisation, is it?

Yes, many want to sell the lucrative bits, and let the tax payer take care of the rest. Slowly, but surely. If you think that is irrelevant, than, what can I say?

I agree with many of your points GrannyGravy - who will pay for your expensive modern care, and that of your family and friends?

Excellent post Grannygravy13, summed up succinctly and to the point.

When the NHS was brought into being, times were very different. Today we expect so much from the NHS there is an expectation that it can cure all ills, unfortunately it cannot.

Medicine/surgery has moved on in leaps and bounds and to fund this from taxes only is not possible.

A forward looking government wether it be Labour or conservative will have to look for funding other than taxes.

The pharmaceutical corporations have monopolies on drugs and profits from those drugs for many years to pay for all the trials.

Every time we isolate an illness we look for a cure which in turn puts pressure on the NHS, this cannot go on indefinitely.

I worked in the NHS as a "temp" I got payed twice as much as the person next to me, in hindsight that was wrong. It was not my fault, I had a mortgage to pay, it was the fault of middle management, who do little ore than line their own pockets.

As have opticians maw.

jura you make so many irrelevant points, and silly accusations, that it's pointless trying to debate anything with you. It's taken goodness knows how many posts just to get across the point that all young people make silly and ill informed choices that they come to regret, irrespective of their political leanings. Now that you've finally accepted that, I can't really be bothered to debate further with you. You've exhausted bored me enough for one day.

Some at the top !

Pointless replying

because many Conservatives are very keen to privatise the NHS, as we well know

The wording is changing slightly.
You should beware of sweeping generalisations if you mean some (albeit senior) Conservatives and privatisation of parts of the NHS, then say so.
Dentistry has been all but privatised for years

Yes, the Naylor report is just the very thin end of the wedge - there is tons of evidence that a substantial number of Conservatives, including some at the very top, want the privatisation of at least parts of the NHS, you know the lucrative ones ... and create a two tier system.

We might not agree on many things, but denying that this is the case is just plain naïve and, well, not very well informed.

Did you mean the Naylor Report Jura?

www.gov.uk/government/publications/naylor-review-government-response

Doesn’t mean that many conservatives necessarily want the privatisation of the NHS