Nasty Young Tories

And now this report:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/let-american-firms-run-hospitals-urges-free-trade-group-5rxxd9tb8

They will try to continue the selling off.. how do you think Branson managed to sue?
In the same way that Academy schools recieve public funds to provide education so private organisations will be paid to run NHS seervices. There will be little effective oversight and enough opportunity for the unscrupulous to make profit from our taxes.

Maizie Mostly the hard right of the party.

I enlisted during my first year at university (despite being a full member of the SNP the entire time; no one ever asked and I never told) due to completely losing my sixteen year old heart to the then-president. Since I was following him about like a puppy anyway, he gave me useful things to do and I was convinced this would result in True Love. Shortly afterwards, he ended up on the sex offenders register and fled the country for a while. But by then I was somehow on the committee and apparently Responsible For Things.

Being capable of difficult tasks such as booking restaurants and remembering to apply for the appropriate funding, I was considered indispensable to the organisation. Occasionally I would be thrown out for various offences of “left wing activity” which included being elected to student council LGBT convenor, refusing to fundraise for Nick Griffin, failing to sleep with an odious ‘special guest’ and telling him to keep his hands to himself or draw back a stump, and having a girlfriend who was president of the Socialist Worker group.

After a while, some disaster would occur and I would be contacted by sad looking group members to take over the actual running of events again. Leading examples of this type of disaster included the committee turning up at party conference to discover that no one had bothered to either register them for conference or indeed book any accommodation, and attempting to take Michael Portillo to a theme park to discuss his then-possible leadership bid.

I spent a fair amount of my time apologising for the conduct of my alleged friends and acquaintances. Occasionally I managed to get particularly odious individuals thrown out (see the Nick Griffin incident). Often I acted as the election agent for whoever was pressed into being the Tory cannon fodder in nearby elections. (I was caught out being an election agent for a number of Liberal Democrats with whom I was very friendly and thrown out again for that)

Finally I was thrown out after stating that a particular high profile individual was an arse and no, I absolutely would not attempt to contact his ‘people’ in any capacity. When pressed to return, I pointed out I was now a proper grown up and it was time for someone else to learn how to book train tickets and write thank you letters.

My replacement is coming up for her own decade of purgatory. Sadly she is showing no sign of finishing up her post grad so is probably still stuck with them for a bit.

Jura2
As you say people will believe what they want to believe

I don't believe the Tories would dare privatise the NHS it would be political suicide. Their core voters, retired people would abandon them in droves, it is likely they will look very hard at the cost/benefit balance of all treatment. So I do for see restrictions on the treatments available and as a consequence big arguments about discrimination.

The youth wing has been a disaster zone forever

Do they actually have any sort of political ideology, muffin?

amp.uk.businessinsider.com/theresa-may-nhs-brexit-free-trade-deal-donald-trump-2018-2 perhaps this is what was being alluded to?

I spent a decade organising in the Conservative youth wing (albeit thrown out/“suspended” quite a few times ? for “left wing activity”).

Nothing these muppets in Plymouth have done is anything I have not seen and heard numerous times over that period. The only difference is these muppets have put it on Facebook and ended up in the national press.

The youth wing has been a disaster zone forever. Cameron ordered it to be rendered respectable with a moderate degree of success. The eye has been taken off the ball in recent years and the monkeys are running the circus again.

This is a perennial problem and will continually recur unless CCHQ requires the youth groups to return their idiots to their villages.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/17/why-isnt-there-greater-outrage-about-russian-involvement-in-brexit

Treason, for sure.

Old enough to know better - greedy horrible woman.

Well, she is young enough to qualify. Isabel Oakeshott- hope she gets here comeuppance for treason- because Treason it is:

Isabel Oakeshott, a former Sunday Times journalist who ghost-wrote Banks’ book, The Bad Boys of Brexit, was granted access to his emails in the summer of 2016 in order to help draft the diaries. The book mentions one meeting at the Russian embassy which has been the focus of great interest ever since, especially amid questions about where Banks’ sourced the multi-million pound funding of Brexit. He has denied the money came from Russia.

Oakeshott says she did not discover the stunning extent of Banks’ true dealings with Russia until last year. Even then, she decided not to publish saying she wanted to wait until the publication of her next book White Flag? in August. It is unclear whether the Electoral Commission’s investigations into Banks’ financing of the Brexit campaign would have been completed by August.

Oakeshott was keen to keep her treasure trove of Brexit/Russia revelations for her book launch, but she has not merely kept out of the debate about the legitimacy of the Brexit campaign. Describing herself as “a long-standing Brexit supporter,” who is close to Farage and Banks, Oakeshott has become a regular TV pundit shooting down “conspiracy theories” about the validity of the Brexit vote amid claims of Russian influence or reports about Cambridge Analytica’s disputed involvement.

Refusing to deny it tells that it is very much a possibility- and as said, lots of it has already been oursourced/sold.

She has refused to deny the NHS may well become a bargaining tool, and available as part of deals. Again and again, and since January 2017 at least.

Repeated, again and again. There is so much out there for anyone who wants to de a bit of research. I've picked this article, from The Mirror, so as not to be accused of being a 'Guardanista' - from 7th of February- just one... and there are so many since:

Theresa May has sparked a furious backlash after she refused to guarantee she'll protect the NHS from US business interests in a post- Brexit trade deal.

'Asked to make the pledge today, the Prime Minister said it was too early to tell what Washington negotiators would demand.

Instead she said Britain's priority was to "get the best possible deal" - leaving the health service ripe for exploitation.'

The link from 3 days ago was paywalled- so I could not copy it, or provide it. But it said about the same, eg - that there are NO guarantees the NHS won't be part of a deal or deals.

In the meantime, it has been announced that tax relief on pensions will we abolished to pay to keep NHS afloat- because yes, if you are going to sell a utility, be it NHS, or gas or water, or nuclear power, or whatever- you have to fund it to the last minute to be 'attractive'. Our kids will, again, pay for it- those very kids whose future pensions are already very poorly funded.

Maize, can be is not will be.

Jane, you are so right:

'People believe what they want to believe whether or not their belief is accurate. No point in trying to argue with them.'

but the stakes are so massive, one has to keep trying.

So May hasn’t said they will sell of the NHS Maizie, thank you

But she hasn't said that she won't, Annie

You've been in politics for a long time. Surely you acknowledge that what's unsaid can be as significant as what's said?

People believe what they want to believe whether or not their belief is accurate. No point in trying to argue with them. I'm out.

So May hasn’t said they will sell of the NHS Maizie, thank you. Big difference between - I think they will and they said we will.

Link to evidence please Jura.
It is easy to say “she said, he said” but may we see a link please?

Link please where May said she would sell off the NHS

Oh, come off it Annie. She wouldn't dare say it explicitly. But actions speak louder than words and the tories have been systematically privatising bits of the NHS over the past few years.

That's what the 'We Own It' petition is about. It's about collecting all NHS services in an area into one 'group' which can be then contracted out. And contrcted out to...... who? Branson? A US healthcare provider? An 'in house' group?

What do people think is the most likely?
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I am afraid Jane, Mrs May has been talking about selling parts (initially) of NHS for some time, and some of it has been done already. Even yesterday, when interviewed, she flatly refused to deny that selling the NHS, or parts of, was not on the cards.

And with great respect, and I mean that, you are not the only one who can see both sides, for sure. I don't know of a single Remainer who is not very aware of the shortcomings of the EU- but who have, on balance, realised that we are much better within, sharing the helm, and in the single market. Please!

Read Day6's post jura2

Link please where May said she would sell off the NHS

She has been saying it since April, and refused to deny it when interviewed even yesterday !

I don’t believe May would sell of the NHS. With Day6 on this.

Very good point Jalima! Of course it's in EU countries' interests to make us look in a bad way. Especially as a warning to other countries who might be less and less convinced of the value of remaining.
Before anyone starts shouting at me, I'm a remainder but who can see various sides to the problem- and it is a problem!

Of course, foreign newspapers may be keen to portray Britain as on its knees, particularly those in the EU or associated with it closely, as it could suit an agenda.