Is this JC’s “Donkey jacket gate”?

ps did you see Dan Snow's programme last night on BBC about shell-shock and PTSD? It was very interesting, but perhaps this thread is more about JC's sartorial ineptitude and whether or not it had meaning.

That is probably deserving of another thread, ClareAB.

Do you honestly think it matters? Why are people focussing on this, and not raging about the ex-service men and women who end up on the scrap heap as there is inadequate resources for those returning from war with PTSD?

Priorities?

I don't know about others; I might be but I don't think that Rosen and his family would be and I think we should all be prepared to fight against that, whether physically or otherwise.

Anniebach Tue 13-Nov-18 19:08:59
"Fennel does a pacifist support terrorists".
I think he sees them as victims rather than terrorists.

we might be now, if no one had turned up to fight......perhaps people should do that?

Fennel does a pacifist support terrorists

It was his anti-establishment coat !

but perhaps he should have added a verse about where we might be now, if no one had turned up to fight.
I agree, gillybob

I understand his point, but if, in 1939
The politicians start a war
and no one turns up to fight.

He would not be here now.

I love Michael Rosen too ( took my DGD to see him ) but perhaps he should have added a verse about where we might be now, if no one had turned up to fight. In other words A verse dedicated to JC.

Very good Michael Rosen .
Jeremy C. 's main principle is pacifism, imo.
But it wouldn't get him very far as a PM.

I agree Parsley he has been in hiding for ages , just wheeled out for PMQ where he cannot be asked any questions

Well said Michael Rosen

I wish I could believe that JC makes calculated decisions about anything. I think he is completely out of his depth.

Expect he stood in his dressing room that morning deep in thought.

The black coat I wore last year and is Expected of me as leader of the official opposition party

Or

The anorak, inappropriate but should get me votes

What a decision

Exactly Monica we make up our minds about somebody in about the first few seconds.
Corbyn was taking part in a very formal occasion and as Leader Of The Opposition how he looked will be judged by the whole world.
Corbyn ‘oppose all their wars’......strange, he wasn’t born until the late 40’s so hardly true, but artistic license I suppose.Nope, that’s not what gets up peoples’s noses about Jeremy, it’s the fact that he is a narrow minded Marxist not fit for the job of PM or leading the opposition.
He dresses badly to make a stubborn point about what he really thinks of The Establishment, whilst completely forgeting that he himself is part of it.

PECS It could have been the perfect put down, but, you forget I commented in demeanour.

And quite simply I do not believe you . Not because you know what you say is not actually the truth. But because, since time immemorable, the ability to recognise friend from foe and who is a risk to you and who is not, has been key to human and animal survival. This skill is based on the judgments we make on people we see, how they look how they comport themselves and how they dress: could they be concealing a weapon, wanting to hit us etc. I heard it being discussed on R4 yesterday.

I am sure you have this basic skill, everybody else does.

I do like Michael Rosen!

Ah! Well I suppose that is a difference between the two of us. I am not that easy to impress with dress & style.

My mother's favourite phrase was

" PECS don't judge a book by its cover. Words & deeds, words & deeds" That mainly grew out of the prejudice and racism she faced from some and kindness and acceptance from others.

By Michael Rosen:
The War of Corbyn’s Coat

If Corbyn’s coat is wrong,
the others’ coats must be right.
The dead cannot see coats.
Day cannot see night.

Hurrah for the warriors of the press!
We know what rocks their boat:
at the sight of a million dead,
they quibble over Corbyn’s coat.

Let us praise famous coats,
worn to mourn the dead of war;
worn by those who lead us
as their bombs slay even more.

It’s not his coat they hate.
That’s not really their cause
What gets up all their noses?
He opposes all their wars.

Let us imagine the day -
or it could perhaps be night.
The politicians start a war
and no one turns up to fight.

No, small men can pack a punch, look at Macron, Sarkozy or Putin. but when men, of any size, act as if they are little and insignificant and dress the part, yes they will be ignored and walked over, especially if they start out being slight in stature. Especially by physically big bullies.

People have always been judged by how they present themselves, by their demeanour as well as their clothes and always will be.

Compare Mrs May with Christine Lagarde, the head of the IMF, Mrs May completely fails to project an air of authority and it shows in how she dresses and her demeanour.

Christine Lagarde, is white haired and her face is wrinkled, She dresses quietly and discretely in black, white and grey, but, even in pictures she projects power and influence, because of how, in her carefully chosen and deliberately expensive clothes, she projects an image of a powerful person both by demeanour and dress.

www.google.co.uk/search?q=Christine+Lagarde+images&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiNkKv0xdHeAhWJD8AKHdNrDN8QsAR6BAgFEAE&biw=1600&bih=758

So M0nica just checking you are not being sizest! Do you mean only people of certain height/ weight should aspire to be senior politicians?

Just because the current POTUS judges people by appearance does not mean the world should fall in line with his opinion.

It looked like a purplish red to me Jalima could be wrong though .

It was not a purely domestic event. It was on the news and would have been seen in many countries and certainly reported and then shown to many of the worlds leaders. Diplomats also attend these events and report back to their home governments. It will also have been seen or reported to the directors of major UK and international companies who have businesses in, or are thinking of investing in Britain

I regret that the international view of Corbyn is as pusillanimous seven stone weakling will have been reinforced by Sunday's even.,

So I ask again. What effect do you think Sunday's event had on the image of Corbyn on the international scene and how will that play back to shape our futures, if he became Prime Minister?

Perhaps he didn't choose it himself as I just don't think he is good with; ^clothes.

Understatement of the century Jalima!