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dragonfly46 Fri 16-Nov-18 10:06:18

Whether you are for or against Brexit shouldn't the government be pulling together to get us the best deal rather than infighting.
Surely this is a national crisis and we need solidarity.
All those who have resigned have not offered an alternative and neither have the opposition parties.

Smileless2012 Fri 16-Nov-18 12:56:00

Yes they should dragonfly and not just the government but all MP's from all parties.

I've been posting for some time that this country should have worked together. It isn't about party politics, individual MP's making a name for themselves, stabbing one another in the back in the hope of furthering their own careers.

It's all too easy for those who aren't PM to pour scorn on her valiant attempts to negotiate a deal. For JC to constantly berate her when he has absolutely nothing to offer.

And for all those who have reigned, shame on you. TM and this country deserves better.

varian Thu 22-Nov-18 18:06:33

If you believed the lies of the Leave campaign, please take the time to read the truth.

If you were told that 80% of our laws were imposed upon us by an unelected foreign bureaucracy, you would of course consider it to be a democratic outrage. If, on top of that, you heard that it cost us millions of pounds per day for the privilege, you would probably be apoplectic. Yet this is exactly what certain politicians and several newspapers repeat again and again to the British people. And it is a load of nonsense.

Telly Thu 22-Nov-18 19:35:39

Yes they should instead of political point scoring. In fact all parties should have been involved in the negotiations. What a mess.

morethan2 Thu 22-Nov-18 20:06:21

I never post on these threads but I’ve got a very a simplistic question. If the deal is so bad then surely those that back it know that they will carry the can if it is a disaster. Their reputation and their careers will be destroyed. The ordinary people and history will hold them responsible. Why would any politician chance that if they didn’t believe it was for the common good? The days when the public wouldn’t find out what’s done in their name are long gone in these days of 24 hour news and investigated journalism. (I voted remain but accept the democratic choice )

Bridgeit Thu 22-Nov-18 20:36:54

Generally speaking Remainers (even now) seem to me to come across very calm , considered & analytic even though they are saddened by the decision.
Whereas the leavers are still crusading with their ‘we are taking our Country back etcetc, ‘ I guess they don’t really care that where we are ‘being taken back to ‘ is not the same place as it was in the past , we are not , the world is not that place anymore . We need more unity not less. Surely it is far better & sensible to move forwards together & united with other countries in an ever changing devided World. The behaviour of some leave Politicians is disgraceful IMO.

petra Thu 22-Nov-18 20:45:33

I'm afraid to say that imo we don't have a politician who cares about their Carreers, after all, there's always banking or some such obscenely paid 'consultancy 'job' to fal back on.
As for reputation: it means nothing to them. They've all chosen to conveniently to dismiss the word from their vocabulary.

MaizieD Thu 22-Nov-18 21:54:48

I find it very strange that something was going to be so easy (according to the Leave campaigners) has caused such chaos.

andycameron69 Thu 22-Nov-18 22:29:17

fabulous when we leave totally....OMG it is what the majority voted for,, great feeling

mcem Thu 22-Nov-18 22:56:14

Doesn't look as if "totally leaving" looks very likely!
As it stands no-one, Leave or Remain, will get what they thought they were voting for or what they want!

MaizieD Thu 22-Nov-18 22:57:05

But if May's 'Deal' goes ahead, andy we're not really going to be 'out', are we? We're going to be 'in' but with no say...

MaizieD Thu 22-Nov-18 22:58:05

But, we'll have blue passports...

Jalima1108 Thu 22-Nov-18 23:55:39

My red one will probably 'see me out' as they say.

crystaltipps Fri 23-Nov-18 05:55:23

No one is going to be “pulling together” to achieve some mythical good deal when we already have the best deal from the EU. With all the nonsense about the “will of the people” the 48% who didn’t want this fiasco are ignored . We are the people too! We are not going to support something we see as making us worse off . Its impossible to appeal for national unity since this is a crisis of the Tory party’s own making.

Davidhs Fri 23-Nov-18 07:17:52

As I expected TM is going to push her deal as far as she can despite any opposition, it looks like it will be voted down but that won't stop her, only loosing a vote of no confidence will do that and we will be into January by then.
There is a slim chance that she will get a majority for the deal, you can never say never, we apparently have to wait 2 weeks for that - a deal that pleases nobody.

Iam64 Fri 23-Nov-18 08:18:31

I agree we're in a national crisis and that ideally the government and opposition should 'pull together' for the good of the country. How can that be achieved when the vote was so close and the complexity of the Leave decision becomes clearer by the day. I voted Remain, my MP was a Remainer but the constituency voted Leave. I expect our MP to represent the constituency which will mean opposing elements of whatever deal is proposed if he believes they are not in the best interests of our town, or the country.
It's an absolute dogs breakfast. I am moving out of the acceptance phrase and beginning to feel a people's vote is the way to go.

Blinko Fri 23-Nov-18 08:56:39

Like it or not, it seems to me that there is no other deal on the table. None of those who oppose this deal have come up with anything except constant griping and sniping.

Of course it should have been dealt with by some kind of cross party alliance. It has become increasingly evident that a simplistic 'clean break' was never an option.

Now that we have something like a deal, let's get behind it.

lemongrove Fri 23-Nov-18 09:12:48

Good post Blinko I agree, and Davidhs I think you may be right , it could go through.
When anyone says they have not got the deal they wanted, it means exactly that, the deal they wanted personally,when in fact there was no ‘deal’ in the referendum vote as such.
I believe the one that T May has got is about the best one, since there was no cross party consensus and infighting galore, our MP’s have not covered themselves with glory!
She has got on in spite of all that has been thrown at her and delivered a deal that is workable.

LadyGracie Fri 23-Nov-18 09:24:50

What she’s basically doing is trying to give away our country and our sovereignty. Do we really want to be ruled by an undemocratic foreign force, because that’s what will happen.

MaizieD Fri 23-Nov-18 09:26:19

So, lemon, you're perfectly happy with a 'deal' that keeps us in the EU indefinitely but with no say?

Bridgeit Fri 23-Nov-18 12:08:21

Why oh why do leavers have this image of our country that the rest of the world is waiting with baited breath to trade with us, queuing up with contracts ready to sign.
I am afraid we won’t be in a strong bargaining position, because they will have the goods we need, so will have to pay the price, brilliant!, not ?

varian Sun 25-Nov-18 17:11:15

Theresa May insisted that her Brexit deal would mean taking back control. But the Gibraltar MEP warns we would actually be giving away the control we had with the EU.

96% of those who voted in Gibraltar voted Remain.

Theresa May has given way to Madrid’s demands over the future of Gibraltar after the Spanish prime minister threatened to “veto” the Brexit deal due to be signed off by EU leaders on Sunday.

On the eve of Sunday’s special Brexit summit, the British ambassador to the EU, Sir Tim Barrow, wrote to concede that Gibraltar would not necessarily be covered by a future trade deal with the EU.

The development gives Spain a veto over Gibraltar benefiting from a future trade and security agreement between Brussels and the British government.