Police knocking criminals off mopeds

They are being trained up as you say, because society has become more feral in some areas, and ambulances and staff, firemen etc are being attacked.This training is a good idea, as calling the police inevitably means a delay, and in that tine, they could be assaulted.

notanan the police are never lone.They are always paired up ( police officer in the family.)

NOW they sometimes are..never were until recently .police in the family too.. has happened in our local force. As has "illusion of numbers" tactics

Same for paranedics, theyre having to be trained up in more aggressive forms of defence and restraint because they no longer get as much police back up as they used to..

Theyre not being "allowef to do their jobs, for sure...

notanan the police are never lone.They are always paired up ( police officer in the family.)

The truth is police are now often lone working without back up and so afraid to get out of their cars. Thats the real reason that this sort of manoeuvre is replacing old style team efforts.

The risk to the general public is from the police car chasing the scooter, that is far more likely to cause injury than the moped, so they ask permission to bump the scooter. What are they supposed to do ?, let them go Scot free. There was a video on the news this week taken by a member of the public filming a gang attacking 2 police officers, one woman, they risk their lives upholding the law. The video was more important than the police.
In my book if a criminal gets injured breaking the law, tough.

The cause, neglect, indiscipline and an over liberal society in general.

No, the general public won’t ‘turn’ ( a few luvvies might at least until they themselves are robbed and roughed up by moped riders.)
Riders were taking their helmets off as they thought the police wouldn’t then chase them.....wrong! They are not ‘vulnerable children who have no choice’ what a ludicrous idea that is, but aggressive and potentially very dangerous gangs criminally minded as it’s an easy life.
The more the police knock off the better.

Let the police do their job. Or don't complain if you or yours become a victim.

If the police had the resources and back up and numbers to do their job properly & safely they wouldnt need to resort to this sort of tactic....

..this isnt about not supporting the police, many police do not like the new strategies and tactics being introduced to compensate for lack of proper numbers and resources!

EllanVannin
I don't think the majority of the public will 'turn'

I don't think the public will turn. Apart from the criminal's family, when a burglar got fatally stabbed by the pensioner homeowner fairly recently, there wasn't a lot of sympathy for the robber. Similarly, I believe the general consensus from the public is that their sympathy will lie with innocent victims who are stabbed or have acid thrown at them.

I'm more concerned about the do-gooders as they seem to have their own way whatever their gripe especially if these thugs are from ethnic backgrounds.
Shouldn't these do-gooders be putting their money where their mouth is and help the police track down these miscreants ?
I'm playing Devil's Advocate here as I'll be waiting for the first fatality whoever it might be and whatever the circumstances,then watch the public turn !!

These 'children who have no choice' are quite prepared to surround a victim in the street, armed with screwdrivers, knives, acid, and anything else to main or kill without compunction. The Police are 'bumping' them off their bikes, not driving full tilt at them, and this treatment has evidently reduced the number of attacks dramatically. These are some of the best and most skilful drivers on the road. Given a choice between bumping a violent, disaffected complete waste of space off his bike or watching an innocent person killed or maimed I think I know where my sympathies lie.

I was amazed at the news. Then i was concerned for the sons daughters nephews neices mums dads etc who police our streets trying to protect us so that the country we all live in can be safe. I do not want this to happen on our streets but am more of the opinion that i do not want people thinking that they can cause harm to anyone and not suffer the consequences. The police are not doing it lightly it is not a game they are being trained.

Let the police do their job. Or don't complain if you or yours become a victim.

The police must be well aware of the risk of being sued if someone is killed or injured.

They can't do right for doing wrong in these pursuit situations - they just have to weigh-up the risks, whether to leave the car/moped to run amok and escape, or attempt to stop it.

I am against crushing the majority of mopeds mainly because they have been stolen and should be returned to their rightful owners.

These little s***s cannot be bothered holding down a job, it is easier and more profitable to drive up to somebody on a pavement and steal a smartphone and/or a handbag.

those who feel sorry for the s***s should live in London and see it happening.

The recent spate of acid attacks have been horrific, I believe some of the assailants were on mopeds. I can only think of the victims I'm afraid who will have to live with the consequences of such an evil act. I don't care if some thug gets knocked off a stolen moped.

Often these vehicles are stolen or have false number plates or no number plates whatsoever. With the riders in crash helmets, identification can be impossible while the person is riding the scooter or motorbike.

Therefore to pursue the rider is often the only course of action open to the police, or watch the person ride off and commit whatever crime he/she has carried out again in the future encouraged by the fact that they were not pursued.

If you're not committing a crime you won't get knocked off your moped !

Seems fair enough to me !

I have always been horrified by police chases that one sees on TV - they are often more dangerous to the public than the original offender.

I once encountered a speeding fire engine coming towards me down a blind bend on a hill - it appeared on the wrong side of the road - how I missed it I will never know.

It doesn't worry me if they knock a criminal off a moped in order to arrest him and I think the moped should be confiscated and crushed too.

However, what does worry me is the chase which was shown, which seemed to be above the speed limit in a built-up area and the possibility that an innocent pedestrian or a cyclist could be injured or a collision with another vehicle could result in injury to someone not involved.

Stree,this tactic has only just come into force so hardly time for a fatality yet. Watch the outcry when it does happen !
I'm all for law and order and also force where necessary because I'm sick of the kid-glove treatment that criminals receive " in case they get hurt ".
I'm also a believer in capital punishment but alas that's something we won't ever see since it was abolished mid-60's.

I believe that the Police do not take this "drastic action" unless the scooter or motorcycle rider has been warned by a pursuit vehicle sounding warning sirens and flashing lights and the rider refuses to stop. The rider may have also have been witnessed riding dangerously in a pedestrian precinct etc and endangering people on foot. Therefore, if after the above warnings the rider does not comply in stopping when that request has been clearly demonstrated to them, I feel that to "knock him/her off the scooter or motorcycle is justified in those situations.

In the above, the protection of other road users and the public in general, has to take president over all other considerations I believe.

How many people have died due to scooter/moped criminals?
How many people have died ( or even been seriously injured) due to the police scooter ramming tactic?

Rhetorical questions:
It is either this or just allowing the thugs to thrive whilst tearful liberals wring hands and fret about the poor thugs being injured in course of their chosen way of life.

It'll only be a matter of time before someone is killed then this " brainwave " will come to an end. I know the police must be fed up with the crime in the city but this tactic isn't the way to solve it short-staffed or not. I couldn't believe it !

If the police have their ideas about who started this way of thieving then seize the bikes and have them crushed.