Police knocking criminals off mopeds

It is the family background at fault Lilypops. Mostly the one-parent ones whose noses are usually stuck to their mobiles and who are completely oblivious of where the children are or what they're doing so long as they're out of their hair.
These so-called parents have no respect for anything or anyone and the children follow suit knowing no different. You can't reason with people like that they're born that way.

I don't dispute the worries caused by the increase in gun/knife crime and the use of mopeds by criminals.

I know I'm repeating myself here but, awfulising, demonising, referring to lack of discipline and broken families and complaining about problems in society won't butter any parsnips. Look at the Hogarth cartoons of Gin Lane in the 17th Century, read Dickens, read Frank McCourt's Angela's Ashes and accept British society has always had what is sometimes referred to as feckless people.
We live in a safe, prosperous country. We should invest in our people, all of them. that means proper preventive services, a strong criminal justice system and a move away from simplifying complex problems

now appear to be one-step ahead of the law
Not when they're on the bonnet of a police car they're not

EllanVannin, I agree , criminals are one step ahead of the law , they have no fear or respect of the police, I saw a programme recently where a police car was chasing a criminal, when the police stopped as the criminal had run down an alley, young kids some looked about ten years old were jumping on the roof /bonnet of the police car laughing and putting two fingers up to the police, It starts at home and in school but so many don't have discipline at home I despair , so many broken families,

When these moped criminals are nudged off their mopeds (probably stolen). What happens next , are they arrested on the spot or do they just run away laughing , only to steal another moped and do it again,, thinking what a laugh that was , can't wait to tell their mates !it would be wonderful if the action did deter them from repeating , but I fear not , If they are on drugs then they are desperate for their next fix and nothing will stop them committing a crime to get money,

If nothing else this method is proving to be a deterrent if there have been less reports of this crime------until the next tactic as criminals now appear to be one-step ahead of the law.

I'm another technophobe GrannyG but I read on line this morning, an interview with Cressida Dick in which she talked about the drop in moped crime since the nudge decision was made.

Speaking to a Mother of a serving Police Officer, at the moment traffic officers are trained in how to use their vehicles to block, nudge cars when needed.

The officers using these nudging tactics on mopeds have had extensive training, this is only used when it is judged that the general public are at risk from the moped in question.

In the area where it has been used for some months moped crime has decreased from 270 to 70 a month, surely this is a step in the right direction. (I am trying to find the link, but as stated previously I am a complete technophobe ?)

Sounds like confusion all round Jalima - it's a difficult subject, apologies if I've added to confusion.

I've just noticed a Change.Org petition to Speed up the Tactical Contact Bill has been started by a former or current serving Police Officer. He stresses the danger posed to the public and to delivery drivers etc and questions why Parliament hasn't yet supported the decision by the Met to use Tactical Contact, ie nudging the criminals off their mopeds. The petition highlights the concerns I expressed earlier in this discussion, about the possibility of Police Officers being dismissed or prosecuted when taking this action.
I still believe it's something that could be used effectively but if I was the Police Officer, I'd want the perimeters clear to avoid losing my job for simply doing it. The potential for someone to be badly hurt or worse, seems as possible in this scenario as when armed response officers shoot in the belief someone is about to pull a gun on them.

I was trying to find what I had said which implied your comments meant you were opposed to the policy. Was it this?
Demonising children or indeed adults does nothing to reduce crime
The aim of this is to catch them not to injure them, otherwise they will be getting away on the stolen mopeds and continuing to steal, terrorise and possibly maim innocent people.

If the police can't stop them, can't find them, how on earth can they bring them to justice, face the court, receive the appropriate sentence and. we hope, rehabilitation?

I meant that catching them by this method wasn't demonising them. I did understand what you meant.

Jalima, a couple of pages back you seemed to imply my comments meant I was opposed to the policy. I don't think I am. I've some concern about the police officers using it because it seems likely if the perpetrator is badly injured, the police officer could be prosecuted. I'm not defending police brutality, I don't see this as brutality, more as a means to an end.

Does that mean I'm not a proper 'do gooder'? I know these young criminals, I knew them as babies and came across them at different stages of their development, their fractured, damaging lives. I met some of them again, in secure units, young offenders institutes or in prisons, in mental health units. That influences my feelings about crime and punishment.

I have been to a “fundraiser” lunch and she was the speaker, not for the faint hearted, so truthful and inspirational.

A brilliant successful outcome, thanks for the link GrannyGravy .

Bridgeit I like to think that they are not “worthless” , but they do need harsh prison sentences. Education is available in our prisons, it should be compulsory not optional.

A good example of education and experience in our prisons- google - “giggly pig”

There is as with everything the ‘do gooders’ Who can be unrealistic, but aspirational, then you have the extreme opposite who believe these worthless humans she be done away with for good, & then we have the realist who try to carve a middle way with some success.
And let’s not forget we are all a product of our circumstances, there but for the grace of God go I. Etc etc Amen !

Hee Hee Petra I gave 3 “feral nephews” all under the age of 8.

I have never intended to “dehumanise” these people. They by their own actions “dehumanise” themselves.

No decent human being would be involved in the actions that they participate in.

Jalima
You would be safe to use the term in my house and my daughters. We have a feral child in the family

I am all for rehabilitating these young people, but after they have served their sentence and been taught the consequences of their behaviour.

I will have to stop using the term feral - at least until I go back to Australia!

I certainly wouldn't like any of these miscreants living next door to me, perhaps the do-gooders would like to have their say on that suggestion or is it a case of " not in my backyard ?" Thought so.

The gang becomes their 'family'.

Yes Jalima, I think you are right & sadly this is still the case for too many young people.

I wonder too, sometimes about National Service; and years ago YOIs offered good education, training and a change from the chaos of some young lives. However, that occasionally meant a young person re-offending because life was better in there than their dreadful home life. How sad was that.
I think they have got worse since then, by some reports.

So much potential , sadly going in the wrong direction.
I do sometimes wonder if it would be better to do 2yrs or so in the forces, but many would still have to return to the same situations .