Police knocking criminals off mopeds

feral oh just stop it

Greta I think feral young people are now having babies themselves, I fear for these families. I agree the state cannot police “family homes”. SS are overwhelmed with their caseloads.

School is sometimes the only place with any structure that these youngsters know. Discipline and moral responsibility must be part of the ethos/pastorial culture of all schools.

If something is from your experience then you could say so Greta but you stated it as a broad fact

maryeliza. I don't need to provide a link; I link it to experience. I agree there is no simple solution. As GrannyGrav says discipline should start at home. But how can Society control how parents discipline their children? Schools should be able to control their pupils' behaviour.

maryeliza54 Of course it should start at home, (discipline, manners and common decency) should continue through Primary, Senior Schools and Further Education.
It is the liberals and luvvies of this Country who are all for “the little dears human rights ” who should take some responsibility for the fact that that it is virtually impossible to punish a child at school, without them complaining about their rights!!! It’s about time the victims rights are upper most in the community.

Link please * Greta*. And you really think that’s where we should start? I used to work for a very successful woman who in her office had pinned up the quote that to every complex and difficult problem there is a simple solution and it’s usually wrong.

It all starts at home surely; schools can play a huge part in teaching discipline and good manners but if parents go to their child's school and, regardless of what the child has done they berate the staff and threaten them, what lesson is learned by the child ? That scenario is all too common, as I can vouch at first hand having seen it too often. I so wish competitive sports were encouraged; energy is expended in the right way, team work and learning to fail with good grace are all part of sport (at school - not necessarily on the professional football pitch but don't start me on that one) The swaggering vicious thugs who will stab a stranger who they think has looked at them sideways have grown to feral creatures through lack of guidance, and that must start at home.

We could start with restoring discipline in our schools. You are not born a thug. Teachers are now often disciplined for trying to discipline children. Logic?

Maryeliza, Luckygirl and others who simply express a level of concern about how we end up with a policy where criminals can be knocked off mopeds as the least worst/best response to their crimes are pilloried as "namby pamby do-gooders". There were a number of demands to know what the do gooders would do with these criminals, other than the mythical 'slap on the wrist'.
None of those expressing anxiety about the proposed response were critical of the Police. There is agreement that 'something has to be done' about rising crime. The namby pamby gang point to the inevitable increase in crime that goes along with reductions in police/all other public services that worked to reduce crime.
The police live with the daily anxiety they may be accused of assault or over use of force. The fire arms officers are at risk of suspension or prosecution if a decision made under serious threat and in a split second, takes place.
A return to the stocks and public humiliation. What a ridiculous suggestion.

I support this policy by the police. It is only carried out by specially trained officers and only when they consider the rider is a danger to themselves or to the general public. I don't agree with the usual "excuse" that they only do it because of their upbringing. I was raised in what would now be called a "deprived" area. The vast majority of my school friends chose to work to get out and improve our lives whilst some chose a life of crime as they considered it easier.

Yes eazybee, This is the point I cannot get my head around. The moped criminals are now the victims. They did have choice in the matter unlike the real victims.

The newspaper report I read quoted the moped thieves total astonishment astonished that the police 'are allowed to do this to us.'

That is to me the nub of the matter; so many young criminals believe, with reason, that they can get away with what they do because so many excuses are brought forward in their defence, and there are so few sanctions available to apply if convicted.

My post still stand but without your name.

I think I was mistaking you for another poster maryeliza apologies.

Those who feel concerned about this policy are not namby-pamby and it cannot be assumed that they do not understand victimhood.

The two have no correlation - how we deal with criminals as a society is part of who we are as a nation.

The Police use a stinger to try and catch the moped riders. Presumably the mopeds would be going quite a speed when the stinger is thrown across the road to stop them. Is that a bad idea too?

Fud you read my post anja? Or perhaps you just didn’t understand it? What’s namby pamby about believing in the rule of law and due process or in having properly trained and authorised police officers involved in the activity of knocking suspects off their mopeds? Or thinking that a call to the return of the use of stocks is tidiculous. And don’t lecture me about how victims feel - you have no idea of my experiences of that.

Sorry maryeliza but it’s mambypamby attitudes like yours towards the criminal and no understanding of how victims feel (or their family if killed) that has allowed these thugs to get away with it for so long.

Let the police get on with their jobs in the best way they can. I’m normally a very liberal-minded individual but when I see these mini thugs cocking a snoop at the law and getting away with murder (literally) then my attitude hardens.

At least they catch the culprit red-handed, probably with the loot from the crime on them.

It could save a lot of foot-slogging police time.

EV I thought this thread was about knocking them off their mopeds - how a suspect is apprehended is not supposed to be part of the punishment. Once apprehended, I accept the rule of law and due process. Whether it’s happened to me is irrelevant - personal feelings don’t and shouldn’t dictate public policy. I haven’t actually said what I think about the knocking them off but I did say that suggestions of bringing back the stocks was plain ridiculous. FWIW I heard a police officer talking about the police officers who are authorised to do this and it was reassuring. There’s a lot of judgement calls in deciding on this course of action - not least dangers to other road users and pedestrians as we see with police pursuits of car drivers. There is also the deterrent effect to consider.

here's a bit more about how it works:
fullfact.org/crime/police-funding-up-down/

Of course, knocking gangs of criminals off mopeds could be quite cost-effective.

Of course it does rather beg the question as to why we have an ever decreasing number of police officers

Crime rate goes down - police budget goes down
Crime rate goes up again - police budget goes up (or should in theory)

This yo-yoing just does not work.

MaryEliza54 what would be your idea of punishment ? Always supposing that this crime doesn't happen to you ?

Our politicians do not need to worry about cuts; whichever party is in power you can almost guarantee that they are protected 24/7 (not unreasonably given the lunatics about- but hey, who needs a police force in those pretty safe circumstances?) They are also more than likely to have private medicine and schools; not all, I am well aware, but enough to ensure that there can be a fairly blase attitude to the NHS , teacher shortages, budget cuts in schools and diminishing numbers of police on the streets.

It didn happen as you say and as a result of a deliberate politically motivated belief in the importance of not raising taxes which could have been used to improve our public services- that’s more than sad.