I predict.....

notanan2 are you seriously proposing that the NHS was not aLabour concept and in particular the concept ofAneurin Bevin?
As for how it did under Labour
Some 43 walk-in centres had been opened since 1997, close to workplaces. If they wanted to see their own GP, patients were promised they would get access to a nurse within 24 hours and a doctor within 48 hours - targets that were 97% hit by March 2004. NHS Direct took 6.4m telephone calls a year and NHS Online, the website, 6.5m hits a year.

Meanwhile, two indicators of better care on which the government fixed its sights were cancer and heart disease. In the fight against cancer, 1,000 extra specialists ensured that 99% of patients saw a consultant within two weeks, up from only 63% in 1997. The National Institute for Clinical Excellence (Nice) approved 15 drugs that had previously been refused as too expensive. The number of MRI and CT scanners doubled after 2000. The result? Cancer deaths fell and survival rates improved
You might care to look at waiting lists and targets now.

Petra it sounds sensible to me.

It comes down to the fact that we are one of only 3 nett contributors to the EU budget, we have (TM’s Civil Servants) to my knowledge never played “that hand”.

Labours RUINOUS last go at handling the NHS pretty much set it up for privatisation by making it an inefficient money pit and running it into the ground. The waste of Nhs resources during that time was eye watering

I would have to agree notanan - the NHS was not safe in the hands of Labour.
Anyone who believes it was does not know, or is ignoring, the true picture.

I am not saying that the Tories are any better btw.

Following a link on here led me to a YouTube video by Ruth Davidson commenting on the Brexit negotiations.
In it she stated that in any negotiation your first thought is "be prepared to walk away"
This is how we have spent our lives, whether it be houses, boats, cars, antique furniture etc.
All this misery would have been over and done with now if we had done this 2 yrs ago.
Common sense would have had to prevail on both sides. Yes, it would have been difficult for a while but then both sides would have come to their senses and agreed trade deals, medicine, security, etc etc.
And, as Micheal Howard said at the weekend: sort each problem out as it comes up in isolation instead of trying to unscramble the whole picture.
BTW, I don't expect my view to be popular.

Where do you get these notions about the NHS & Labour from, notanan? Serious question.

Coalition labour is centrist labour (as it is forced to be) and good things came of that.

Momentum is NOT centrist labour.. it shouldn't even share the same name!!

The NHS was started during a coalition gov not a labour majority government.

Labours RUINOUS last go at handling the NHS pretty much set it up for privatisation by making it an inefficient money pit and running it into the ground. The waste of Nhs resources during that time was eye watering

Do not tell those of us who vote against labour that we dont care about the NHS. The NHS can be sustainable and cost efficient when it is managed as such.

lemon when I last looked the NHS was still working (in spite of the Tories), schools were still run on the comprehensive system introduced by Labour. Social housing has largely gone of course but its demise is much mourned by many, and the homeless families now living on the streets or forcing councils to pay fortunes to unscrupulous B&B owners are proof of its necessity.
As for Marxists some LP politicians in the past were far to the left of Corbyn and it was their concept of how society should operate that opened up opportunities to the poor and working class. You know, those people who reaped the benefit and made progress because of those policies but now profess themselves afraid of anyone slightly left of centre.

Ruth Davidson you must be joking ?

Sorry. I think we have first dibs on granny 23 for NS's successor as first minister. Now as for Ruth Davidson who earned much praise during the referendum and GE, you could try to persuade her to move South and stand for Westminster. Before long she'd be Tory leader. However she has more sense and, after her maternity leave will return to her post in Holyrood.
Given the choice, opting for Holyrood over Westminster seems eminently sensible!

That’s living in the past trisher if you have to go back 50 years or more to laud the LP.

Corbyn and McDonnell are Marxists, nobody is saying that every LP MP is!
If you deny that then your head is firmly in the sand.

GabrielaG54 assuming you are British you grew up in a society fought for and built by the Labour Party. The NHS which has cared for you, the education system that taught you, the housing policies which provided social housing for the poorest, set standards and provided grants to upgrade sub standard housing, the nationalised industries which provided utilities and transport were all provided by the Labour Party. They are steadily being eroded by the Tories. And what I find most offensive is that having benefitted from these you would now deny them to younger people and abuse a party largely responsible for them.

Liebour are often rabble rousers, trouble-makers of the first water.

...and I am now GabriellaG54.
GG is (so someone here said up-
thread) 'A bloke from Widnes.
That isn't me.

Anja
I couldn't have made it clearer.
I wrote 'I love GB'.
GB is Great Britain (as if you didn't know)
You are stirring and I'm not biting.

Well...after reading Granny23's post I'm voting for her as PM instead of TM. Anyone else?

BUT annie Scotland voted to stay in the UK BECAUSE they were told it was the ONLY way to stay in the EU !! Ask them again what they want,think you'll find the 62% who voted remain will swell the numbers PLUS the EU citizens who voted NO then will vote YES now.
Are you aware that both Barnier and Verhofstadt have said there is no problem with Scotland being a member of the EU That there will be NO queue involved and that we would be warmly welcomed .Probably not as MSM likes to keep these things quiet in case England thinks we're getting special treatment .Lets face it with a minimum of 1.5 TRILLION of oil still to be harvested and the new Atlantic fields that haven't been evaluated the EU would be mad to see us slip away .Westminster would rather our money was in THEIR pockets .

But PaddyAnn, Scotland voted to remain in the U.K., no government can be held responsible for this.

wish there was a "like" button for that post Granny23 sadly though its too much like common sense for Westminster to agree to it .Of course they would be losing their cash cow when we go so that won't do at all ! Recently saw leaked 1999 Scottish accounts,very interesting ...look for it online .THATS why they are hanging onto us !!

Can I recommend again my original 2 year old solution - i.e. Scotland and NI who voted to Remain stay in the EU whilst England and Wales leave with or without a deal.

The EU border would then be the Scotland/England border which is much shorter and easier to enforce than the ROI/NI border. Goods could be transported directly between Scottish Ports and Denmark, the Netherlands, etc avoiding all the congestion at the channel ports' English or Welsh remainers can relocate to Scotland/NI if they wish and avid leavers can buy up the vacant houses or simply swap homes with those moving into the Eu areas. I expect that if someone finds themself on the 'wrong' side of the border but does not want to move they could just be an ExPat.

The British Isles would still remain a Geographic entity (although you would be able to take 'foreign' holidays without needing to fly or take a ferry Separately governed, I predict the 4 (or 3 if Wales remains with England) Nations would soon become the best of friends instead of 'Auld Enemies', when each Nation can choose their own government and plan their own future.

I predict we'll go back to square 1 - pre-referendum.
We will carry on grumbling about the EU until the next world crisis when we will be glad we remained.

I predict that the Tories are finished (I am a reluctant Tory voter not seeing much to like in Labour) but to push the Country into this situation is unforgivable. This desire to hold Britain back by leaving the EU is based on outdated principles.
What I also predict is that Ireland will become more prosperous; Scotland will vote for independence (This has played right into their hands); Wales will become poorer and little olde england will become nothing on the World stage.

Ahh AW - she who made women prisoners give birth in handcuffs and when receiving ante and post natal care - with Christian principles like that.....

If she has 'Christian Principles' surely she would honour paying the money we have committed ourselves to paying the EU. I'd like to have a check on her voting record as an MP to see what her attitude is towards to poor and needy.

Pity we still don't have Ann Widdicombe - now there's a formidable lady who would not be over-ridden by Brussels and has Christian principles.