Emergency debate tomorrow

Well we certainly are imploding politically, economically comes next. The £ is already tanking even more than it has done. The EU is not a “club” btw. Its a union of equal nations. It’s funny how those spouting “better together ” in the Scottish indyref are now claiming it’s best to be isolationist. Couldn’t make it up.

What Day6 said about the Labour party under Corbyn is factually correct, so say the comments were bull.....t is ridiculous.

And another thing - this country is absolutely NOT on its knees as someone said. Why do you think the EU desperately wants us to stay in their horrid controlling club?

When we choose a party to vote for there has to be trust in the leader. I cannot trust a blatant liar such as Corbyn

This 'Corbyn is a Marxist' is getting a bit like McCarthyism, isn't it?

I would argue, as I did at the time of the 2017 GE, that there is nothing particularly radical or 'Marxist' about the Labour Manifesto; it certainly isn't as radical as the post war Attlee policies and proposes nothing more radical in the way of social policy than can currently be seen in other European countries. As I have noted elsewhere recently, surveys have shown that Labour's social policies are approved of by a majority of the UK population so long as they don't have the word 'Labour' attached to them. Fear of Labour isn't rational, it's a product of relentless right wing propaganda from our largely right wing press.

When choosing a party to vote for we have to consider what it promises in its manifesto. There is nothing revolutionary in Labour's manifesto.

On the other hand, it seems that we are in the middle of a revolution now, brought about by the tories, no less. It's a dangerous revolution that is attacking our Parliamentary sovereignty and attempting to impose a dictatorship. It started with the imposition of fixed term parliaments by the Cameron government, which makes it well nigh impossible for our sovereign Parliament to get rid of failing governments and is continuing now as the tories steamroller through the parliamentary procedures and conventions in order to overcome the will of the sovereign Parliament. It is unprecedented for a government to be held to be in contempt of Parliament, as ours was last week and will be truly frightening if it gets away with it. Because the whole of our parliamentary system is set up to provide a check on the power of the Crown (i.e Her Majesties government) and so prevent an elected dictatorship.

If you're worried about a revolution if Corbyn gets into power you had better start worrying now about the tories destroying our Parliamentary sovereignty because they are paving the way to allow it.

Nicenanny do you think we should leave and not pay our debts?

Yes Anja we will agree to differ

Annie sorry. I assumed otherwise. I will politely have to disagree that JC is Marxist. But let’s not argue but rather agree to differ ?

I disagree if we'd had a Brexiter as PM instead of weak and shaky May and not offered the £39 billion upfront and stood up to them instead of giving all our crown jewels away and started preparations to Leave in earnest early on we might have got a good deal. May is weak in Brussels and a dictator at home. We should walk away now I voted to Leave not do a deal so walk away Mrs May instead of following Camerons example and getting your begging bowl out and making our great nation a laughing stock show some pride and self respect or just do us all a favour and resign.

Anja, I am still a member of the party, I am not an ex labour supporter , I have not forgotten the harm done by the far left of the party . We have a Labour Party led by a Marxist leader

But it is obvious that the author of that post never supported Labour in her life Annie. In fact she said ‘yes, indeed’ to Britain first. I’m sure that you as an ex-labour supporter would never go that far.

And it is a vitriolic rant humptydumpty

Nevertheless it is a vitriolic rant.

Anja not right wing bull***t, I agree with Day6, I have been a member of the Labour Party for over 50 years, so not right wing

However, let us not forget the only serious opposition to this government is Labour, led by Corbyn, a Marxist backbencher who is anti semitic, 'friends' with most enemies of the UK, a Eurosceptic (about his only saving grace but he'll turn like the worm he is to keep his party happy and gain power) and cannot provide any argument without a script. He is backed by hard left Momentum and Marxists, and is their puppet.

While we accept this sort of propaganda there is no hope. Really what a load of right wing bullshit!

I agree with Day6 that whoever was trying to negotiate with the EU would have come up with the same deal. I have said over and over again that it is surely the civil servants who have done the negotiating and they would be the same whoever was doing this rotten job.

If we had had a cross party group doing it we would probably have had the same result but without the squabbling.

A strong opposition keeps a government on its toes and holds it to account.

Unfortunately we have not got a strong opposition, as this labour leader and the previous incumbent are/were puppets of momentum and the unions.

TM has probably little to do with the dreaded B****t negotiations, which have largely been done between civil servants from all parties. If we have a change of government, same civil servants shall be negotiating.

A shambles indeed. No credible government, no credible anything in parliament.

Is there a hit List from May naming Tory MP’s, Corbyn has one.

There was a vote of no confidence in Corbyn , 172 to 40 , have those 172 changed their minds?

And why did they have to buy the DUP ( although much good it’s doing them)? These inept Tories called a referendum without a plan B, called an unnecessary election, have been held in contempt of Parliament( first Government ever) have pulled the vote are squabbling amongst themselves and leaking cabinet discussions and some of you are mithering about a right wing media confection of Corbyn. Just own how absolutely useless this Government is and they have done it all by themselves

And it’s the Tories who are the Government

How would Corbyn manage if he was PM , he has to have all his questions written out and avoids interviews unless they are pre recorded

Gransnetters, whatever their political persuasion seem able to agree that this is a complete shambles. Mushroom management is rife and piss-ups and breweries come to mind!

I've been dismayed by politicians in this country for a good few years now but cannot believe just how bad it has got. Self-serving idiots the vast majority of them. I was reading an article the other day that suggested the UK is now a false democracy, ie a democracy in little but name since our MPs do not have the faith of the electorate nor the will or ability to deliver what is voted on. I think an election manifesto should be a legally binding contract, (with provision made for acts of god, natural catastrophes etc to be allowed as exception) and we should be able to sue the blighters when they renege.

As for May "making a mess" of negotiations, name me a politician who could have done a better job in Brussels?

Her deal is a disgrace, but any other MP would have faced the same pressures, disloyalty and back biting, make no mistake. She had to walk into a lion's den. Imagine Corbyn with that task?

Her fortitude is admirable. Her deal is rubbish. Leave means Remain.

However, let us not forget the only serious opposition to this government is Labour, led by Corbyn, a Marxist backbencher who is anti semitic, 'friends' with most enemies of the UK, a Eurosceptic (about his only saving grace but he'll turn like the worm he is to keep his party happy and gain power) and cannot provide any argument without a script. He is backed by hard left Momentum and Marxists, and is their puppet. That is scary.

May's EU deal is disgraceful. Leave means Remain. She has betrayed us.

Where is Guy Fawkes when you need him? The houses of Commons and Lords are a farce.

Come the next general election I hope present day MPs are both watching their backs and running scared.

What a complete f*cking shambles. It is so bad it's frightening. These people run, or want to run, the country.

Cameron and Osborne slink off and resume their comfortable lives. May and the rest of the bunch make a complete mess of the whole thing and then start squabbling, backbiting and vying for position. I agree with maryeliza - this government is completely inept in every respect - not just Brexit. They have brought this country to its knees.