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So no hope from Jeremy either?

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MawBroon Sun 23-Dec-18 07:57:09

It seems JC would still back Brexit even if another election brought him to power.
How to shoot yourself in the foot?
From The Guardian this weekend

Jeremy Corbyn is facing a storm of criticism from Labour activists and MPs after suggesting he would press ahead with Brexit if the party won a snap general election.
In a sign that he is losing backing among overwhelmingly pro-Remain Labour supporters, Corbyn was also accused of betraying the party membership by appearing reluctant to back the idea of supporting Remain in a second referendum
The first signs of a serious internal revolt from party members on the left, who helped propel him to the leadership, came after Corbyn gave an interview to the Guardian in which he suggested he thought Brexit should go ahead and said EU state-aid rules would prevent a Labour government intervening to support UK industries.

Grandad1943 Fri 01-Feb-19 21:17:13

Anniebach, the average age of a member of the Labour party is just over 51, and the party has a total membership of 552,000 according to the latest survey.

Only 15% of that membership total are under the age of 27.

For full details of the survey, please follow this link:-https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-corbyn-surge-labour-s-members-tend-to-be-older-middle-class-and-gender-balanced-a8173141.html

Anniebach Fri 01-Feb-19 20:34:01

As 14 year olds can become members of the Labour Party for £3, I wonder if parents can sign their children up for membership.

Grandad1943 Fri 01-Feb-19 20:02:41

As has been already stated the Formby proposals are not specific, and in that, only the basic principle of candidates for MP requiring to have had an occupation outside of politics is up for discussion at this point in time.

Should that principle be widely accepted by the Labour movement in the country, then a working group(s) will start to work on the broad requirements, such as the ten-year requirement that Jenney Formby has quoted in her consultancy survey

Jalima1108 Fri 01-Feb-19 19:45:58

I do think that if rules, regulations and laws are brought in which are, as you say, too prescriptive, then ways are always found around them.

Jalima1108 Fri 01-Feb-19 19:45:03

the school leaving age could have been 10 in those days grumppa wink

The first school leaving age, or age at which education was no longer compulsory, was age 10

grumppa Fri 01-Feb-19 19:42:40

Just to mention in passing that Pitt the Younger became Prime Minister at the age of 24. I don't think he had been working since he was fourteen!

More seriously, as a lobbyist on behalf of an industry I always found it easier to relate to MPs of all parties who had genuine work experience, whether as employers, employees or entrepreneurs, rather than "jumped-up" politically ambitious ex-researchers.

The principle behind the ten years work rule is attractive, but it is unwise to be too prescriptive.

Anniebach Fri 01-Feb-19 19:39:47

Realy jura I know from experience what racism is, being asked to not sit in a pub dining area but sit in a side room , being called n****r lover , being asked ‘does the size of his d**k do it for you. I have no need to read racist comments .

Grandad1943 Fri 01-Feb-19 19:30:00

I would remind all that Theresa May and the Tory Party were 20 points ahead in the opinion polls prior to the 2017 general election.

What Happened, Theresa May and the Tory party lost their majority in the House of Commons.

Staying loyal to constant policies does not always make good headlines especially in Britain's right-wing press. However, when those polices are placed in front of the electorate it is then that the consistent policy approach can pay great dividends.

Grandad1943 Fri 01-Feb-19 19:20:35

Iam64 Quote [what about ordinary members who left the party in despair, ]End Quote.

What about the more than half a million who have joined the party since Corbyn became leader?

What about the more than six million trade union members affiliation subscriptions that have kept the party in being for over one hundred years, who now once again have a real say in Labour policymaking since Corbyn became leader?

jura2 Fri 01-Feb-19 19:17:46

no, my post was simple enough. Did you watch the video? I can't believe what it must be like to suffer this kind of language and attacks day in, day out.

Anniebach Fri 01-Feb-19 19:11:12

jura you are totally prepared to believe I am not racist? I assume you mean you are open to persuasion either way .

Iam64 Fri 01-Feb-19 18:57:31

I'm tired of the references to "the old Blairite wing" . what about ordinary members who left the party in despair, equally importantly, what about the majority of the electorate who reminded Theresa of their unhappiness at the austerity agenda in their votes at the last election. Why weren't there more votes in favour of a Labour government? Why isn't the LP streets ahead in the polls given the disaster that is TM;s government and party>

jura2 Fri 01-Feb-19 18:53:23

Anniebach, I am totally prepared to believe you are no racist. But you have to look at the context, re politicians like DA- and what they have to endure on a daily basis:

www.facebook.com/theguardian/videos/2279159835741859/

Grandad1943 Fri 01-Feb-19 18:52:16

Jeremy Corbyn has remained committed to the Labour Party Conference polices as laid out and endorsed by the grassroots members attending that conference. In that, the Brexit policy demanded that the Parliamentary Labour party should seek as first priority a general election, and only if that was not achievable to then consider campaigning for a second referendum.

Corbyn and a large majority in the parliamentary party have throughout this Brexit crisis stood by the conference decision as many believe that the collapse of this Tory government could come about at any time in the coming weeks. However, we have witnessed the old Blairite wing of the parliamentary party taking every opportunity to undermine the conference policy laid out by the members and in that Jeremy Corbyn.

Now that the constituency parties are to gain increased powers to select and deselect even sitting MPs no doubt we shall see many of those that wish to ignore the democracy of the members now de-selected, and then witness them state it is undemocratic.

We are always being told that our politicians are "self-serving." However, now that we have a leader that supports decisions made by the grassroots members, he is accused of "sitting on the fence."

PECS Fri 01-Feb-19 18:24:32

Iam Cannot disagree with that. I am a LP member and very disappointed that there has not been more constructive debate and action for JC or others. I knew JC was not committed to EU albeit for different reasons to Tories.
Not helpful in this whole debacle to have a Remainer leading the Leave process and a Leaver not involved at all. I am trying to put my head in the sand but it goes against the grain (excuse the pun)

Iam64 Fri 01-Feb-19 18:19:07

To get back to the OP, I do feel disappointed that Jeremy says he'll follow LP policy as agreed at conference, then decides not to do that when it doesn't suit his belief system.
I'm no longer a party member so I don't suppose I should feel disappointed but I do.
I was a Remain voter, no surprises there. I accepted the result of the referendum despite the fact a referendum isn't legally binding. I was unhappy to accept the outcome because it wasn't what I believe to be in the best interests of the country and because of the relatively small majority in favour of Leave. I wasn't happy with the campaign run by Leave or Remain but in truth, that's life isn't it. Life is imperfect and we often have to compromise in order to achieve best or at least, least worst in our working and personal lives.
We are now stuck in no man's (persons) land. It's dangerous, isolating and grim. What to do? What would we like the leader of HMOpposition to do? I'd like him to be more honest, open and involved in a genuine dialogue with the country and with Theresa. This seems to me to be an ideal opportunity for him to show case himself as a future PM. Is he doing that?

PECS Fri 01-Feb-19 18:18:36

Oh.. half a sentence disappeared. It should have read
"I know I do not always follow that rule myself but criticising a person is less effective in winning an argument and shows you have run out of good arguments"

Anniebach Fri 01-Feb-19 18:17:41

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PECS Fri 01-Feb-19 18:14:37

One can criticise the actions / policies of a politician.. not them personally! I know I do not always follow that rule myself but criticising a person.

I find it hard to respect DAs choice to privately educate her child... but that would go for an Labour MP.

Anniebach Fri 01-Feb-19 18:12:06

If you say so trisher , I realy have no wish to feed your need

trisher Fri 01-Feb-19 18:05:38

Criticism are always acceptable Annie providing they are based on accurate information. If someone makes things up or posts incomplete information about anyone it rather makes a mockery of that person's opinions. After all if you only present some of the facts, you must surely be afraid that the full facts would not support your argument.

Anniebach Fri 01-Feb-19 17:45:03

So critcism of any politician is acceptable but not of politicians who are black because some ! can construe it as racism , I have never thought of criticism of politicians who are black as racist

Rules for posting now explained by trisher

trisher Fri 01-Feb-19 17:35:45

Because posts abut DA can be construed as racist when they are inaccurate POGS. Now if people post criticisms based on fact I am quite prepared to accept them.But anybody who posts anything about DA should first ensure that they are posting accurate and fully comprehensive information. Just as if they are posting opinion they should think carefully about what influences that opinion (and I include myself in this). Racism is a possibility for all of us.

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POGS Fri 01-Feb-19 16:22:56

trisher

You are ' at it again ' having gotten away with posters not being able to understand what this is about.

Why do you say having had your posts deleted :-

" But don't worry it's nothing to do with her being black or a woman. "

Perhaps that comment might give a hint as to what you called another poster .