So no hope from Jeremy either?

Reference to the above email address, I have now found the post and requested that the address be removed.

Many thanks again to those that drew my attention to my error.

Many thanks to the forum members that have alerted me to accidentally revealing one of my email addresses on this forum. I have just checked back and cannot see it there so it may have been removed by GN,

However, if it is still there could someone point me to the date and time and I will report it to GN myself.

It is not too concerning as that address would be one I use for private/social purposes and is not connected to my work or company but I would wish to see it removed.

Again many thanks.

As I understand the Jenney Formby proposals, they are in two sections. The first of those will allow the Labour constituency Parties to have much larger freedoms and powers to select or deselect parliamentary candidates even if they are already a sitting MP.

That proposal is already well advanced being that an outline was approved by the party conference in September. The full recommendations are now ready to be put before the Labour NEC for final approval which could be as soon as this coming Tuesday. (29/01/19).

The second proposal (if branch grassroots talk is correct) would mean that any person wishing to be a candidate for constituency MP would be required to have spent at least ten years in employment outside of politics. That employment could be in a trade, profession, service industry or manufactoring.

As has been stated, the Formby proposal is in a draft form and is being circulated to Labour party and trade union branches for consultation. Of course, there are many elements to consider especially in regard to women and men who may break off working for maternity/paternity purposes and also the one in five persons who work in the Gig Economy these days.

The above I feel are just two of the matters that would need to be resolved before any advance proposals could be brought forward and many other problems would in all probability be brought to light before that process comes anywhere near to fruition

However, as trisher as stated earlier in this thread this Formby outline plan is out for discussion and in that may be only the first steps down what may be a long and complex road. That stated I feel that to bring an end to career politicians should be an objective to be sought, and in that I support that objective.

Should the consultation bring forward a draft policy then obviously that would need the sanction of the Party Conference either this year or even next, so there will be no early outcome to this one. However, the objective is to have the proposals brought in as rules of both the broader Labour movement in the Country and the parliamentary party.

Then I feel we would witness "the fur and feathers fly" in the parliamentary Labour Party and perhaps right across the House of Commons soon after that.

Just scanned back and realised that Grandad had put his email address on one of his posts.

This is an open forum, anyone can now access Grandad’s information I to think GN should delete the post with his email address in.

Grandad you should ask GN to take your email address down from your post. It links to more personal information about you than I think you wanted to reveal here.

Do we know which politicians, past or present, were/are career politicians?
If they have to have other jobs prior to standing for Parliament, would that preclude them from getting experience on local councils, trades unions etc as well as working the required 10 years?

I don't think it is feasible.

Good grief POGS that was a reaction! Tbh I did not expect many to agree with my opinion. I have said before I am used to being in a minority!

JC, whether you like his values or not, has been consistent in what he believes. You can easily find his values in the LP manifesto or just on the googlepaedia. I don't suppose you will take the time though. It might challenge your prejudices.

To be clear I am not a blind Corbyn supporter! He has failed horribly to take the open goals he has been offered by HM government and has not been a leader but he has also been, imo, unfairly vilified.

I was merely challenging the view that he was a 'career politician' ! He was a fairly low profile back bencher for over 30 years which is not much of a career!

Maybe we have different understanding of the term 'Career Politician' To me it is someone who works at Westminster as a researcher etc from Uni with a view to getting noticed and put forward to be selected as an MP..they are not necessarily driven by a strong political, economic or social conviction but are aligned to a vague manifesto . David Cameron is my go to example of a Career politician. For balance Yvette Cooper has a similar track record.

PECS

"To me career politician is a person in Westminster who has an unclear set of opinions or values and is prepared to compromise or move l or r to maintain a seat/ power! JC has maintained core values"
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Good grief.

If that is your description of a ' career politician ' then Corbyn who has an unclear set of opinions and values, and has definately shown he is prepared to compromise to maintain his seat /power is indeed a ' Career Politician '.

Personally my description of a Career Politician could be his son Seb Corbyn who I mentioned earlier if he should become a candidate for Parliament and the likes of Hilary Benn et al from which ever party left or right of politics.

It depends on the definition of work

10 years is a long time

PECS see my post of Sun 27-Jan-19 12:30:59

However, that does not mean that JC has not prevaricated on Europe and blown with the wind.

My MP had a job before he went into politics but I can't say that it improved his views.
Perhaps he should have stuck to the day job.

easybee! Like you ??? at such an absurd comment!!

Would a people’s vote settle it? If remainers won would leavers campaign as remainers are now , the country is so divided as are the MP’s

Great phrase PECS ‘serendipity rather than a career plan’. My impression during the leadership election after Ed M resigned, was that JC was enjoying having a platform to set out his core beliefs. The audiences enjoyed him, that’s why he won. I still wish he hadn’t but rather him as PM than any of the Torres currently pushing Theresa under a bus.
Wouldn’t it be wonderful if the politicians would try to find some consensus to help us Leave with least harm. A People’s vote appeals, though that’s what got us into this awful mess in the first place. Cameron’s place in history !

No Annie but he never supported being in. He, & the lovely Tony Benn, felt the EU did not do enough for the working classes and damaged British industry.

Has he finally said he wants us out of the EU?

A few JC values: CND, talking to enemies in a war situation, nationalizing railways , rent control, leaving EU.
I am not necessarily endorsing any of the values just suggesting that career politicians tend not to hold strong opinions on too many things but blow with the wind to procure promotion or secure power. JC, after a life as a back bencher, has become leader of LP through serendipity rather than a career plan. That was all I was trying to illustrate!

janeainsworth They would of course be a loss. We could play a game who would/wouldn't you want rid of if the 10 year rule applied Yours are ones we wouldn't of course, but two who wouldn't have qualified are David Cameron and Nick Clegg- now just think how different things would be if they hadn't qualified

I missed that gem.?

Be afraid, be very afraid ?

Well!!
I have been reading the whole thread open mouthed.
Some spiteful remarks from at least two of the protagonists, and uncomfortable home truths lobbed from all sides.
But I burst out laughing at this:
Please respond quickly or I will consider taking this whole matter and thread outside of this website for adjudication
Oo er.

He did go abroad to teach for a short time, he said this in a tv interview, with two E grade A levels he couldn’t have done so here

Core values of what though!
He isn’t at all prepared to compromise and has said he and the LP would not support any deal that T May brought back from Brussels, and now is the only leader of a Party that refuses to talk to the PM about the way forward.
Did he have a job before politics? He could have probably done with having one. He is unworldly and woolly headed.

Re the proposed 10 year-rule - perhaps it hasn’t occurred to the Labour Party that they might be excluding such talent as the SNP’s Mairi Black, or, historically, William Pitt the Younger.

I have come late to this. Just wanted to say tat in my view JC is the lat person I would call a career politician! He has made politics his career which is, imo, subtly different! To me career politician is a person in Westminster who has an unclear set of opinions or values and is prepared to compromise or move l or r to maintain a seat/ power! JC has maintained core values all his career.
As opposed to TM