So-called ‘migrant crisis’

Ah!
Well, I am sure that very many Syrians would like nothing better than for their own country to be at peace and for help to rebuild it. That is why the people in the camps in Northern Syria and just over the borders in Turkey etc are not attempting the crossing over to Europe.

But if you can look at those photos and remain unmoved about their plight, then it helps us all on here to understand your views.

Jalima1108
My response at 22:43 was in reply to your comment at 21:42 re the disparity of two Christmases with the photos.

If we have enough 'yobs' here why would we want more?

X post with Gabriella, it was not in reply to your post - I am not sure why you have addressed that to me?

The seven categories (or criteria) used by UNHCR to select refugees for resettlement include:
Legal and/or Physical Protection Needs of the refugee in the country of refuge (this includes a threat of refoulement)
Survivors of Torture and/or Violence, where repatriation or the conditions of asylum could result in further traumatization and/or heightened risk, or where appropriate treatment is not available
Medical Needs, in particular life-saving treatment that is unavailable in the country of refuge
Women and Girls at Risk, who have protection problems particular to their gender
Family Reunification, when resettlement is the only means to reunite refugee family members who, owing to refugee flight or displacement, are separated by borders or entire continents
Children and Adolescents at Risk, where a best interests determination supports resettlement, and
Lack of Foreseeable Alternative Durable Solutions, which generally is relevant only when other solutions are not feasible in the foreseeable future, when resettlement can be used strategically, and/or when it can open possibilities for comprehensive solutions

We do need to have compassion for those who have suffered, and we also need to provide sufficient resources to be able to sensitively process asylum seekers. The system is under-staffed and inefficient at the moment.

Jalima1108
Are we all supposed to wear sackcloth and ashes? We can't help EVERYONE and beat ourselves with sticks to empathise with others in those situations.
Should we wail and cover our heads instead of enjoying the life we have?
That would be tantamount to spitting in the face of our parents and their parents and our country who have/ which has nurtured and educated us and given us advantages not found everywhere in the world. We give millions of billions in aid to countries ruled by despots, the vast majority of which is creamed off before the dregs arrive at the target.
Should we therefore still support people from countries whose own governments fail their populations despite taking our money?
Religion and hatred begets war and wars will continue to the end of the world. Mark my words.

Chewbacca Wed 02-Jan-19 20:26:50

You have made some good points, Chewbacca. There does need to be some regulation and organised resettlement programmes for asylum seekers who are claiming refugee status. As I posted above, people fail to recognise the difference between migrant, asylum seeker and refugee.

Why, when I've visited my family in Australia, do I always need a visa then pay an arm and a leg for health insurance
Some may criticise Australia but they accept refugees under the UNHCR system and also award visas under their Humanitarian Programme, so their system is well-regulated, as is their whole system of entry to Australia for anyone.

The concept of 'do as you would be done by' has been around for much longer than the Charles Kingsley 'Water Babies' story. There's an Egyptian fable which concludes: "That which you hate to be done to you, do not do to others." The ancient Greek Epictetus said: "What thou avoidest suffering thyself, seek not to impose on others." The converse is Kingsley's 'Mrs Be-Done-By-As-You-Did' who taught the golden rule of civilisation: if you don't or wouldn't like it yourself, then best not do it to someone else.

During conflicts around the world, in many different cultural settings, we know that people have stood up against injustice at great cost to not only themselves, but also their communities. Surely, as individuals and as a caring society, we have a moral duty to supply aid at the time and place of need. The world is changing at a great pace, is it getting to be an uncomfortable place for us in the west now that our comforts are possibly being encroached upon by others? Maybe it's time to share a little more with those who, through an accident of birth, have not had the advantages we take for granted here in the UK.

The argument about housing our own homeless population is for another thread, but maybe just ponder the fact that in this country, according to the government's own figures the number of empty homes in England in October 2017 stood at 605,891. Of these, 205,293 were classed as long-term empty properties (empty for longer than six months).

That was in response to GG’s sad little post ???

I fear increasing the number of patrol boats in the Channel will make matters worse. Traffickers will use it as a reason to press for even higher payments for an unseaworthy boat.

It's not the Mediterranean - it's a short journey and they know that with more patrols there will be a better chance of sinking dinghies being spotted.

In other words, 'It's not dangerous. You WILL be rescued!'

Every society has its yobs. Look at these clearly white youths attacking pensioners playing bowls...not a refugee or asylum seeker amongst them

White Yobs attack Pensioners at Bowling Club

Anyone who reaches the UK in a dinghy or in the back of a lorry are here illegally, therefore have to be treated well but investigated and either granted leave to stay or deported back to their country of origin.Many are not at all poor and have paid thousands of pounds to get here, and have passed through various EU countries, all of which are safe havens for true refugees wanting asylum.
It’s not unkind, it’s the system that most countries operate to avoid illegal immigrants slipping in by the back door.
Stop insulting other members on here because you don’t happen to agree with their thoughts on the matter.

I am shocked by the level of hatred and xenophobia too Iam64 and I’m not even a Christian. It is so sad that some cannot find it in them to understand the plight of these people.

annie
Exactly what many of us are saying.

Is this what you want?

This thread has so many insults.

Just said in News, police have arrested two men , one British, one Iranian involved with smuggling people in.

If in fear for your life and flee your country , I do wonder why after arriving in a safe country with your children you risk life by crossing the channel.

GabriellaG54, I did realise my mistake but couldn't edit it.

Ah Well, I guess I have been made a fool but never mind life goes on .

Where's my offence ?
Or is it because you don't like opposition ?

EllanVannin
Alighting and disembarking are one and the same action = getting off.

Ellan your rhetoric is completely offensive.

Truly 'To be born English is to win first prize in the lottery of life'
(Cecil Rhodes)
So much just depends on luck.

I don't know if you are aware that asylum seekers are not allowed under any circumstances to seek employment.

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That only leaves Turkey. 'If' they are allowed in they will be put into camps
Turkey just can't keep taking more and more refugees - most are in reasonable camps but some of the camps are just squalid.

These are pictures from a camp in Northern Syria. Whilst our children were enjoying Christmas, this is how some children survive:

Without finance from the EU how do you propose widening the border forces, Iam64 ?
Investment was all about Remaining not leaving Brexit as most of you voted.

My D works in security and it's an impossibility to do a headcount of 100's of passengers disembarking off a ferry when staff are at a premium. There are never the same numbers alighting as when they disembark. Is it any wonder that terrorists are coming in ? Numbers are always different.

Big shipping companies aren't worried as they just see the volume of customers, cars,caravans and lorries boarding their vessels.
Staffing levels are abysmal---like the wages, just to keep this country safe.

There are jobs galore-------but nobody will work outdoors, nor get up at 4am. Strange that, because Liverpool and Wirral have the MOST refugees than the rest of the country yet those seeking employment are not interested in this line of work ? I thought beggars couldn't be choosers !

Why, when I've visited my family in Australia, do I always need a visa then pay an arm and a leg for health insurance ?