So-called ‘migrant crisis’

These poor people who arrive in France, why don’t they apply to come here if they have family here. Seem nearly 100 have tried to cross the channel over the holiday period

paddyann - are you suggesting that all immigrants are highly trained, highly qualified people? Those in the UK legally would not be "sent back". My guess is those attempting to enter the country illegally are not doctors nurses or engineers. As I said before, I have no objection to people coming to UK - as long as they do so legally. Is that too much to ask?

# Life not live.

petra

^Most of the Iranians arriving now originated their 'European' journey in Serbia. False passports have to be bought, taxi/ lorry drivers have to be bribed to take them over the Croatian border. I. Some cases border guards have to be bribed. Then we have the 'boats' often they are in RIBS, these aren't cheap. And then the people smugglers know that that RIB isn't coming back to France.
It all adds up.^

I think I was aware of all that except I don't know what RIBs are. Please enlighten me.

Another question I hope someone can answer: can someone who wants to claim asylum come here by a 'normal' route? Would they have to apply for a visa and would it be granted? I think airlines refuse to allow people without visas to fly to countries where they are needed. I am trying to understand why someone who can afford to pay a trafficker £4000 would do that if there was an easier way.

Jalima, because we rarely hear of any or many displacements concerning migrants ( mainly our own people ) I tend to think that those who've come across in boats/dingies have family/relatives who are already here, hence existing families who are familiar with the ways of live that some of them have chosen------and that's violence towards the UK. They hate and detest our nation.

she's a Doctor

Well Gabriella you'd have to ask them that.I suppose its the grass is always greener syndrome ,not something I ever had.The FACT that immigrants all cluster together have been well documented down the centuries
.We have and have had jewish areas in Glasgow for a very long time ,Italians congregate close to their ain folk too .Then theres China Town ..in most cities.Of course none of the above have dark skins ..is that the issue ?
There is no one more loyal to their homeland than an emigrant/ex pat .To the extent the ones in Spain voted FOR Brexit ...not understanding they were voting to potentially be sent home .
As for the lazy Brits taking the jobs they dont want..would that include the Doctors and Nurses ,the engineers and research scientist etc etc that we ARE losing as we make them feel unwelcome..some who have lived here for 40 years or more .My daughters Dutch friend is one of them.She's a doctor and she's been served notice to attend a meeting in London to "discuss" her future here,that'll be the fiuture of her Scottish husband and children too !!

I don't know if it is possible, EllanVannin. We hear about young refugees who came here with their parents when they were young; the parents integrate into society, the child grows up being educated here yet occasionally there is one who will turn to terrorism.

Iam64 how do you propose dealing with the extremists who appear among the migrants ? And how would you separate them from the genuine migrants ?

Why do African migrants head West instead of East?

Pakistan has one of the largest presences of terrorists as has Iran and Iraq. Why are there no vetting procedures when these people enter the UK ?
We have 23,000 ( and counting ) terrorists on our soil.

Government: Sajid Javid: CHANNEL MIGRANT CROSSINGS “A MAJOR INCIDENT”

Guardian online 19/3/18, Fiona Harvey, Environment correspondent, see:- www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/mar/19/climate-change-soon-to-cause-mass-movement-world-bank-warns :-

“CLIMATE CHANGE SOON TO CAUSE MOVEMENT OF 140 MILLION PEOPLE, World Bank warns”

A few hundred refugees crossing the Channel, are just short term symptoms, of major world problems that need urgent solving.

Migrants are mainly because of Climate Change preventing people from growing their food. But this is worsened by war, persecution and poverty.

UK Government is appealing for political popularity, with antagonism towards migrants. But these migrants are mostly NOT from EU.

Our Government should deal with the major causes of migrants seeking to come to UK, before using dishonest political rhetoric to get more votes.

“10’s of millions in... developing world expected to migrate before 2050, unless Climate Changing environment is improved”

86 million migrants could try to come to Europe, and their preferred destination UK, from sub-Saharan Africa. 40 million from SE Asia, and 17 million people from Latin America. Because, they can no longer grow food, because of Climate Change.

Please deal urgently and more thoroughly with the crisis of Climate Change, as advised by recent United Nations Climate Change conference in Poland.

Climate Change is more dangerous, and needs more action than realised until recently.

World is heading for over 3 degrees of warming, and increasing.

United Nations conference in Poland recently, said 2 degrees is too dangerous, and we must aim for 1 1/2 degrees maximum, needed within 12 years.

Or our children and grandchildren will suffer terribly from bad climate.

"Grannie, Grand-dad what did you do to stop this terrible Climate Change?"

Nonnie
Most of the Iranians arriving now originated their 'European' journey in Serbia. False passports have to be bought, taxi/ lorry drivers have to be bribed to take them over the Croatian border. I. Some cases border guards have to be bribed. Then we have the 'boats' often they are in RIBS, these aren't cheap. And then the people smugglers know that that RIB isn't coming back to France.
It all adds up.

The Trump like attitudes shown by many on this thread make me despair. Of course it’s relevant to ask what we would do if we lived in a country where famine and war dominate. To suggest asylum seekers or refugees should stay in their country to sort things out is heartless as well as impractical.
I’m struggling with the concept that this England, Britain, my homeland belongs only to its original inhabitants. (Who were they again!?). After WW2 there was mass movement from and through Europe. Borders were shifted. People managed. Is the fact the current refugee crisis is largely confined to black or other non white communities a key issue in the resistance to offer humanity

living up to acceptable standards
Hyacinth Bucket rides again!

Erm, where does anyone suppose that these migrants are going to be housed when we already have a shortage of houses ? Plus nobody will give up their views etc on greenbelt land for developers ? ( not in my backyard ) Are these people still those whose sympathy goes to the migrants who risk life and limb crossing the Channel to get to the UK ? Or, like the government, are double standards still prevalent ?

Some helpful data from the BBC:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46722157

I have some queries: A couple of weeks ago I heard that some of the Iranians were coming in boats they had bought for themselves but haven't heard that since. As the criminals simply supply the boats and tell them to navigate using their phones why do so many pay the traffickers?

Looking at the figures for asylum seekers they mostly look as if they come from countries torn by strife but why from Pakistan? Unless they are persecuted Christians why would they need asylum?

Last time I posted a question someone interpreted what I said to mean something I didn't. Please, these are genuine questions with no agenda, I just want to know the answers.

Every year that we were living in Bulgaria prior to them joining the eu we had to produce our bank statements to prove we had enough money to live on.
We had to pay for all medical needs.

Sajid Javid has stated that the migrants arriving by boat, applying for asylum are likely to be turned down because they have left a safe country.

Why on earth would you assume that people who are not natives of the UK would not " meet acceptable standards"

I have no family in UK - all my immediate family live in Australia. If I wanted to join them I would first have to get family to sponsor me and then have to supply a substantial bond to ensure I would not be a drain on the Australian tax payer.
And take out very expensive private medical insurance too.

I think the difference paddyann is that those people are in those countries legally and they bring economic benefit to the area. We used to have a place in Spain and yet some ex pats would only use English bars and pubs but many used local shops, attempted to learn the language and interacted with local people.

I have no family in UK - all my immediate family live in Australia. If I wanted to join them I would first have to get family to sponsor me and then have to supply a substantial bond to ensure I would not be a drain on the Australian tax payer.

I have no problem with those coming to UK legally, as someone said previously if they want to come to UK why not do so by applying when they reach a safe country?

paddyann

Lol.
Why don't they stay in their 'home' country if they need to cluster together in order to feel at home?

I agree that some people, citizens of the UK, do not meet acceptable standards of living BUT that is not a reason to add to that number.
I get a bit ticked off when posters cite people who are worse off or have poor health or other problems such as homelessness etc, as a reason to be glad that you're not in their situation. That doesn't mean that the point is less valid.
Asking what I'd do in their situation is a stupid question and does nothing to address the crux of the matter.
No, I would not have a stranger living in my home. No, I am not politically correct. Yes, I am against immigration as it now stands. Yes, I voted for Brexit and I'm all for lazy Brits to get off their butts and take the jobs that we don't want others to take. Tighten up the benefits system and make having a valid, verified full-time job and a certain amount of cash to fall back on, a condition of being allowed to live here.

Dont ALL emigrants group together with their own peoples,to give them security and a feeling of home. Or are the huge numbers of EX PATS who take over whole areas in other countries with English breakfasts ,union jacks etc etc a figment of my imagination?
In Spain a few years ago anyone who had wandered into the area by mistake would have thought they were in the "sarth of Engerlund " that was the accent that was heard ( apart from the barstaff who were talked down to if they didn't understand what was being said ) so surely we cant complain about refugees sticking together.I do know there are large contingents of Chinese,Italian and Scots all over the world who do the same .

Just as a matter of interest some of " our ways of living" by some people, is in my opinion absolutely vile.