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Can this government really continue?

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trisher Sat 12-Jan-19 11:32:18

Is there anyone out there who can really still support this government? It bought the DUP to keep it in power, it has been defeated in the House of Commons in spite of that and its policy of Universal credit has just been thrown out of court because of the way it treats people. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/11/four-single-mothers-win-high-court-benefits-battle-against-dwp-universal-credit?CMP=fb_gu&fbclid=IwAR1gx3cqrJ5ailab45F4KiBlYqm1SWMSu6gABIRw_2vGheNkA8y1gqGQ6-Y
Surely they have to GO NOW!!!

Anniebach Thu 17-Jan-19 15:32:18

humpty yes other party leaders have that after a meeting, Corbyn is saying it before any meeting, and his mantra has always been ‘ talking ‘ . He will not meet the PM because he is going to disagree no matter what and go on about holding a General Election, this is all that concerns him.

Jabberwok Thu 17-Jan-19 15:20:17

We're all worried about harmful emissions and yet we have to make more and more vehicles year on year! Surely cutting down on production and people being encouraged to keep their cars for at least five years or even longer should be encouraged ?!!

Grandad1943 Thu 17-Jan-19 15:12:28

I do not believe that Britain leaving on a "no deal" is such a significant threat to the EU. In the short term, it would damage trade to both parties.

However, the European Union has the long term view and advantage of knowing that large manufacturers would relocate production to Europe to avoid the tariffs and bureaucracy on products moving from Britain into EU Countries.

In the above, several of the major vehicle manufacturers have already started that with no customs agreement all new models would be produced in Europe.

Jabberwok Thu 17-Jan-19 15:04:11

The threat of No Deal is our only trump card, get rid of that then you might as well abandon brexit all together. All the EU has to do is offer deals we can't possibly agree to for as long as it takes for us to give up and stay put. In any deal people always have to have the opportunity to walk away - it concentrates the mind on both sides!

lemongrove Thu 17-Jan-19 14:53:10

Yes Humpty and it was a mistake on May’s part.
Although few actually want a no deal scenario, in negotiations with the EU, they must think it possible that it could happen, it’s about the only lever we have now.
In any case, from our own side here in the UK nobody should be refusing to talk about anything by demanding certain things before they meet.They can say that they would never support it but should not be a demand to take something away.

humptydumpty Thu 17-Jan-19 14:45:36

Hold on lemon, isn't that pretty much what TM did to the EU with her red lines? She wants Labour votes so will have to concede something.

lemongrove Thu 17-Jan-19 14:20:42

I expect Corbyn has nothing useful to say as usual.
You don’t go into any discussions by demanding that something is taken off the table in advance of those talks.

humptydumpty Thu 17-Jan-19 13:38:39

Annie, trisher has already expanded on that. I heard on the Today show that other party leaders who went to see her are now saying they also won't talk to her again unless she rukes out 'no deal'.

Anniebach Thu 17-Jan-19 13:15:53

Corbyn, who has always declared his belief in talking, his explanation for time with the IRA, anti Israeli groups, Hamas , refuses to talk to the UK PM !

trisher Thu 17-Jan-19 13:01:50

He has actually said he will talk as long as she rules "No deal" out of the question. If she won't do that, why won't she? Possibly because vested interests in her party know they will make money from a "No deal"

Jalima1108 Wed 16-Jan-19 22:26:39

It seems that other parties are willing to talk with the government to try to move this forward but so far Corbyn has not been forthcoming; however the PM has said her door is open to him.

Anniebach Wed 16-Jan-19 21:37:24

Corbyn will do all he can to scupper talks, he wants a general election no matter the cost to the country

Jalima1108 Wed 16-Jan-19 20:23:34

I was thinking of the Shadow Brexit Secretary rather than Corbyn and McDonnell, as I think neither of them is capable of working in any sensible or constructive way with other parties.

Anniebach Wed 16-Jan-19 20:03:56

Could/would Labour and Tories work together ?

Jalima1108 Wed 16-Jan-19 19:54:45

As I said on the other thread this is a national emergency. We need a coalition government now.

I have been saying for a long time that we needed a cross-party committee to deal with Brexit.
I listened to a talk by Jonathan Freedland on the car radio today which was very interesting, very reasoned and eminently sensible. He was speaking on the Jeremy Vine programme hmm - I do find JV irritating but he did let JF speak. If I could link to it I would but I am finding it difficult. I'd like to listen to it so I could concentrate fully on it.

Luckylegs9 Wed 16-Jan-19 16:52:42

Devour gilla, I can't think of anything worse except torture, than being with that baying mob. It is not exciting times, it is shameful ones, I am not proud of the party I voted for or the other mad lot. Yesterday was a sad day for democracy and decency.

Devorgilla Tue 15-Jan-19 21:51:53

Fennel, have a glass or two of wine instead. Only way to go. The Tories will hang on by their toenails. We live in exciting political times. I am so glad I live in the 21st century with rapid internet delivering every move going. My daughter is actually in the Houses of Parliament tonight at another event. How I envy her soaking in the atmosphere.

Grandad1943 Tue 15-Jan-19 21:38:11

Jane10, in 1940 the Labour and Liberal parties backed Winston Churchill to lead a government of national unity even though the Conservative party was hopelessly split on his appointment.

However, although I would agree such a cross-party government is required in the crisis Britain faces now, who is there in parliament at the present time that the majority of the house could unite around to lead such a cross-party government.

Where is/who is that person?

Jane10 Tue 15-Jan-19 21:15:04

As I said on the other thread this is a national emergency. We need a coalition government now.

Bridgeit Tue 15-Jan-19 20:51:23

They haven’t gone now & probably won’t because the alternative as it is doesn’t inspire any confidence either.

Anniebach Tue 15-Jan-19 20:45:26

Corbyn is eager, I have already received an e mail asking for money because the Tories have backers , someone needs to remind the man he has the Unions cheque books

Grandad1943 Tue 15-Jan-19 20:37:29

There is only one party that has made this nation the laughing stock of the world, and that is the Conservative party and no other body in this parliament.

I do not doubt that Theresa May will win the vote of no confidence tomorrow night as Turkeys do not vote for Christmas. However, it is now out there for all to see that this Tory government/party and its UDP cronies are exactly what the old adage states "mindless Turkeys".

Jane10 Tue 15-Jan-19 20:29:46

What a mess. I'm ashamed of Westminster and almost every MP in it.

Luckylegs9 Tue 15-Jan-19 20:24:38

I don't think it can continue, never mind we can always have Corbyn, Russias friend, what a fine upright embassador he will make, we must be the laughing stock of the world.

Fennel Tue 15-Jan-19 20:09:22

And Corbyn has registered a vote of no confidence. Which should be debated tomorrow.
I've been watching it on Parliament Live.
The SNP have got the wind in their sails.
Too exciting for me, I'll have to have a lie-down.