Can this government really continue?

Would someone like to comment on why a GE would solve the Brexit problem? Unless the whole silly idea of leaving the EU is kicked into the long grass and left to die.

Apologies above should read Day6 at the beginning of my above post.

Regarding your above post @ 16:21 today, many surveys have demonstrated that it is young families with bills to pay, mortgages and rents to meet by way of insecure employment conditions are the people who supported the Labour Party at the last general election. In that, the same would in all likelihood take place again in any general election called in the near future I feel.

Of course Labour will win the next GE because whatever happens about Brexit a lot of people will be unhappy and will blame the Conservatives for it. I keep saying that it is the civil servants who will have done all the negotiations and they would be the same whichever party was in charge.

I watched the Brexit drama this week and came away with the impression that the Leave vote was simply better at campaigning than the Remain. I think that was probably true and it was the same with the GE. Labour targeted the young on social media, they didn't target me. They said they would make university education cheaper which not only appealed to the 18 year olds but all their families and parents of younger children. The Conservatives were complacent and their campaign was not as good.

Many people vote according to the headlines and don't give it much more thought than that. Some vote as their parents voted or according to what they think their 'class' is. I believe very few vote altruistically because if they did the LibDems would have got more votes as they were promising to put 1p on taxes for the NHS.

I think the media should be more challenging about the outrageous claims made by politicians. That is the only way many people will see through the falsehoods.

I don’t think it’s just the young and wealthy who go on protests by the way. I’ve been on a few - against the Iraq War, hospital closures, anti Brexit and the like. Very diverse bunch. All peaceful as well.

This government will be with us forever unless people bite the bullet and vote for a party that they do not usually do - tactical voting is the only hope.

notanan I agree with all your posts on this thread and admire the fact that you stick to the subject and don’t get personal with other posters, despite there being several snide comments from one or two ...the ‘you don’t vote Labour therefore don’t care about anything’ brigade.It’s a stupid and tiresome message from them.
There is no alternative to this government at the moment,
No practical or good one anyway!

The useless government and the equally dire opposition are both a bunch of w*nkers tbh. There are many of who feel disenfranchised with no one to vote for who represents our views. Our so called democracy is a relic of the 19th century and should be overturned. Many European countries had to start from scratch after WW2, whereas we are lumbered with our antiquated system which cannot cope with any sort of crisis. We now know Brexit is a pile of doodoo and the ordinary folk will get royally shafted one way or another. No doubt the tories will be voted back in as most are so disgruntled with the system and won’t bother, only the old gammons will turn out. Sigh.... meanwhile cheerio jobs, nhs, education, housing etc

Well the NHS has certainly not been very safe in Tory hands

Indeed it has not. If only there was a viable alternative!
But alas there is not, only worse evils.

this forum reflects the demographic thinking division in Britain with many polls showing younger voters supporting Labours more social leaning polices, while older voters remain with conservative polices on such matters

Well, that's hardly a revelation Grandad What's new?

Aren't most young people socialists until they have responsibilities and bills to pay?

I supported every good cause, sit-in, protest and march when I was young. Now, students, middle aged Trots and middle class virtue-signallers along with the odd wealthy celeb (stand up Lily Allen) tend to make up the ranks of most protests these days.

I am not blaming Labour for the decisions of this Government, but naturally voters will consider the alternative should this government stand down , the alternative is Corbyn, a liar , a leader who refused to take part in the referendum debates,even went on holiday,who will not say where he stands on brexit, a man who wriggles out of his anti semetic stance with ‘ I didn’t look at the wall mural closely’, I didn’t read the posts, (on a site he posted on), who was at a wreath laying ceremony but, ‘I was present but I don’t think I was involved’

Can this man be trusted to run the country ?

I blame both parties trisher for not having a clue about anything and this needless Brexit discussion has deflected just nicely the state in which other areas of government are in.

Why are people now blaming the Labour Party? This government has been defeated in the HOP and in public court. Nothing to do with Labour. Regardless of if you believe in their policies or not should they not, as a mark of true democracy stand down?

Both governments have allowed thousands in with absolutely nothing in place regarding work, accommodation or thought about the extra burden on the NHS and other sources such as housing. Where did they think all these people were going to live or how they were all going to manage ?

Both the Conservative and Labour governments have let this country down by having weak leaders with no forethought about the future of the country whatsoever.

Younger voters didn’t experience the nightmare 1970’s and 1980’s, which resulted in 11 years of Thatcher

Failing PR, if only Labour and Lib Dem would have the wit to field one candidate between them in this area then the ancient Tory would be out on his ear. But they plough on as if they are unable to work this out. Pitiful.

As life long member of the Lib Dems, nothing, but nothing would get me voting Labour in the absence of a Lib Dem candidate, I wouldn't vote Conservative either.

Well the NHS has certainly not been very safe in Tory hands, ditto education, social care, public libraries, public transport, the welfare system. Agree with whoever said earlier that more tactical voting may be needed next time. Is this government fit to continue? No.

This was in the '80's and '90's so nobody can expect an appointment present day when they expect to unless it's a dire emergency. The NHS can only do so much.

I feel that this forum reflects the demographic thinking division in Britain with many polls showing younger voters supporting Labours more social leaning polices, while older voters remain with conservative polices on such matters.

Below is a section of a report published in the Independent Newspaper printed in September 2018 which for me states the position exactly.

Report begins here:-
The Tories could "go out of business" unless the party comes up with a convincing offer to woo young voters and ethnic minority voters, Conservative MPs have said.

Harborough MP Neil O'Brien said young voters had flocked to Labour in last year's election because Jeremy Corbyn promised them "the moon on a stick" and compared the Conservatives' record with young people to a "branch that has been rotting for years" which finally snapped.

George Freeman, Theresa May's former policy adviser, told the same panel that the Tory party looked like "besuited bank managers of austerity" and had come to resemble the "armed wing of Ukip" with its Brexit stance.
Report ends here.

Many older persons fail to appreciate the effects that the housing crisis and employment security have on many young families at the present time, and how that is reflected in their political thinking at elections.

It should be remembered that the Conservative party went into the 2017 general election campaign with a twenty point opinion poll lead over the Labour party which was the reason Theresa May called the election. However, when the polices of both parties were actually seen and considered by the electorate the Tories lost their overall majority in parliament.

Link to the full Independent report:-
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-conference-latest-young-voters-ethnic-minorities-labour-youth-vote-a8562011.html

Appointments are done in order of priority, always have been. It's just that consultants and their clinics have more patients than ever. There's no easy answer.
Even when I was helping out at clinics there'd be as many as 45 patients to see from 1pm until 5pm which is why the clinic didn't end until 9pm as it's impossible to see patients within a given window of time.

The NHS is NOT safe in Labour hands.
Anyone who had any connection with Stafford Hospital when Labour were in government will testify to that.

Labour brought waiting times for operations and A&E right down.
Day6 is right about the Labour-run NHS in Wales. It is patchy - parts are excellent but waiting times are deplorable. Someone was complaining to me the other day that she had to wait longer than 12 weeks for a dermatology appointment in England - the waiting time in Wales for one was over 30 weeks.

Notanan, I have been saying this for ages.

Left wingers fill social media with propaganda about "uncaring" and "selfish" people who refuse to acknowledge JC and Marxism.

The left claim a monopoly on caring and tend to get away with i, and recruit others who don't see through the propaganda.

Throw in rough sleepers, and food banks into every argument too, as though these are the only areas for concern, and only THEY care. Have you noticed?

It is propaganda and they get away with it because few people challenge it. Most people care very deeply about social issues. You don't have to join JP and the Marxists to prove it.

Someone in the Conservative PR/Comms office needs a good shaking up to change the image of the party. They allow Labour to claim and camp out on the moral high ground.

As you say notanan, these things are on ALL political agendas. The sad fact is that only two parties are likely to gain a substantial number of votes. If we don't have Conservatives, we get Labour Marxists.

". then watch them squeal ? "

A movement that encourages this sort of thinking about anyone who doesn't follow is a movement which I do not want taking over the UK