Who will come crawling out of the woodwork?

Varian, couldn't agree more---your comment on the bottom of the first page, have come into this late this evening after a very long day

Agree Day 6

Heck! * gaming having.

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I like all of Nigel's policies and his way habit of telling it like it is. In these times of gaming to employ filters on our speech, writing and thoughts, his manner is refreshing. You can take it as read that have no truck with the pc brigade and no, I don't rise to bait or retrieve gauntlets - I'm not hungry and don't lower myself.

Day6, for the first time there is much in your above post I can agree with. However, I have to say that it was an attempt to resolve long-running problems in the Tory party that brought about the referendum and all the problems have escalated from there.

With the Labour party, the problems have arisen from what is seen as having too much democracy in the party. In that, thirteen thousand grassroots members from all sections of the Labour movement attended the party conference in September and set the Brexit policy.

However, in the above, I feel that no one could have foreseen just how dramatically and rapidly the Brexit situation would change in the few months since that conference. That policy cannot be changed at present without a recall conference even though many feel (including me) that it has to change and quickly.

Therfore, Day6 I hope we can agree further that both parties are locked by internal situations that make it difficult if not impossible for their leaders to bring about the flexibility required to end this crisis.

After all, Day6, if you and I can agree on that, I will believe that democracy can survive in any crisis.

Well, you have at least try to look on the light side even in this situation.

Can any of his fans please tell me what they like about Farage and his policies?

Oh let's face it, both parties are in complete disarray.

Corbyn has only got a look in and a sniff of power because a) the Tories had to deal with Brexit and b) hard left Momentum have had his back and silenced any party criticism of him.

If only we could have Harry Potterish powers and look back at the last two years if Labour had been in government and responsible for Brexit negotiations.

Brexit could break the career of any politician and any party and I suspect we all know it.

Most MPs and indeed our parliamentary system and the MPs we elect to work for us have come out of the Brexit debacle looking selfish, self-serving and without conscience or thought for the people in their constituencies.

That Corbyn has got to support ties to Brussels and the EU for party political purposes, shows just how convoluted/twisted the whole system is. He is a leading Eurosceptic and yet will not support Brexit. He works to thwart the Conservative government and for the good of his own career, not the UK. He is a shambling, weak leader of the opposition and cannot be trusted with the governing of the UK, ever.

The whole Brexit carve up is a joke, the death-knell for democracy, and honesty, and I do hope after it many, many MPs lose their seats.

Anniebach, what happens in the Labour party at the present time is of consequence to the Labour Party only as they are not in power.

What happens in the Conservative party is of consequence to the whole nation as they are in government and have made a complete shambles of the Brexit negotiations, and no other party has been involved in that.

Morgana, the Labour party conference in September set the policy for Brexit and Jeremy Corbyn, and the parliamentary party is bound in support of that policy, and only a recall conference can change that policy or situation officially in practice

However, I believe I have read in the last few days that Jenney Formby in her role as General Secretary of the broader Labour movement in the country has move to change that situation. In that, Formby is consulting to have the conference standing orders committee to be empowered along with the Labour party executive Committee to "adjust the policy" in line with changing events.

I would think that any radical change would need at least the agreement of a one-day recall conference, but who knows what that may bring in the next few days.

What happens in the Labour Party is not of little consequence, Corbyn as PM ?

A lot of truth in that Grandad1943. But I do blame JC for sitting on the fence and not expressing Labour's views re Brexit.

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In all this criticism of the Labour party, anyone would think it is that party who are responsible for the largest political crisis this nation has faced in over seventy years.

In the above, it is the Tory party that has brought Britain to this abyss, and in defeating the vote of no confidence yesterday, it is that party that will have to get us all out of this crisis.

What happens in the Labour party is of little consequence at this point in time, as it is the Conservative party that are in government if not in power even among their own MPs

paddyann
If it comes to pass, do let us know your sailing date. You'll be taking your furniture with you...of course.

Ilovecheese

I endorse that view.
Ms McVey has a very credible CV. What more could you ask? Liverpool women are known for being no-nonsense, outspoken, feisty and fearless. She would not shirk her duty and would, no doubt, bulldoze and charm her way through the corridors of power, hair blowing in the blast of air left in her wake. Oh yes! Esther. Go girl.

JenniferEccles
Oh yes If only.

Sputnik Thu 17-Jan-19 12:15:17.

"And I predict the rise of Tom Watson.....if Labour could just nudge the poisonous Corbyn out of the way....."
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Tom Watson? He has been very quiet of late waiting to pounce maybe.

His track record is hardly that of a statesman though is it. He does have a controversial background.

The lies told about Conservative MP's and paedophilia, proven to be a crock of, didn't stop him using Parliamentary Privilege to stir the s--t. He became to look a fool but boy a brazen one.

What about Watson and the Falkirk Vote Rigging Scandal?

It will not be something most people will easily disregard. He resigned from the Shadow Cabinet over it if my memory serves me well.

What about Watson at the time of the MP's Expenses Scandal?

Watson was reported as being behind Gordon Brown trying to get rid of Tony Blair so I wonder if he has bad memories for some PLP MP's.

He certainly has 9 lives and all is forgotten / forgiven and he has been rewarded for his efforts and reached the heady heights of Deputy Leader of the Labour Party so I guess anything could happen.

I was thinking more of the 2017 GE - the Tories would have been outnumbered without the DUP.
It doesn't seem to be a proper coalition as previously Tories + LibDems.

BRedhead59 Thu 17-Jan-19 09:42:44

"May's Government would have lost the vote if we taxpayers hadn't paid for the DUP votes. Is this still the will of the people?"
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Barmeyoldbat Thu 17-Jan-19 09:46:11

" Feb up with the whole lot and May is only being propped up by the DUP who were paid to do so."
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Repeating a question but here goes out of interest.

Is it the hatred/dislike of the DUP that you object to or is it the ' principal' behind the practice of ' Confidence and Supply' that you object to?

If it is not the hatred/dislike of the DUP then how will you view the ' Supply and Confidence' practice if Labour won the next General Election but with no overall majority so Labour required to use the ' Confidence and Supply' of another party, possibly the SNP?

Surely if it is the ' principal' some object to then Labour would be eligible for criticism also. Or is it dependent on partisan politics and a view can alter to suit?

I find it totally hypocritical of some, or possibly they forget, Labour under Gordon Brown tried to do a ' Confidence and Supply' agreement with the DUP when there was a hung parliament back in 2010. Wasn't it also an offer ' involving money'?

I don't either Lemon, I was just curious!!!

Granny 23

Thank you for your reply.

I qualify for an Irish passport..... but I don’t want one.

Sorry Lily65, it's too late ... they've already crawled!

I can't think of any politicians who come out of this Brexit debacle in a good light, but Lord preserve us from Esther McVey. It has been a well known fact for some time that Universal Credit has been badly designed and is causing severe hardship.

The way McVey promoted it was repugnant and showed the Tories at their worst. Fortunately she was taken off the job and they have now softened their attitude. However, no-one with feelings or caring would have taken the hard line Esther McVey did, which in my opinion showed her in her true light.

Boris Johnson is now living with his new girlfriend, apparently, nick-named FLOTUS (First Lady of the US) by those in the Tory party, who is reported highly ambitious - including getting him into the PM job. Of course, he won't make his move until we're out of the EU and then he can just blame any mess on Mrs May. (BTW fans of his on here need to remember that he DID have the chance to step up to the PM job after the Referendum, when David Cameron resigned, but he held a meeting (on camera) and declared that he wasn't going to run - doesn't like hard work, and given the mess he made of being foreign secretary, lets hope that he never gets the chance).