Warwick University- would you want any dgc of yours to go there?

When I was a teenager I, and I am sure most other GNs, were subjected to all sorts of unpleasant comments, if we objected we were told we had no sense of humour, that it was a joke and that we should be flattered!! I thought those excuses had been left in the past - it appears not.

As I mentioned previously, these "men" should not be allowed back on campus - they could continue their studies by post or online. Apart from women on campus feeling unsafe, allowing them back means all male students there could be treated with suspicion

KatyK
Yes that's the one. When the name David Wilson is mentioned, he's the one I think of, not a house builder.

There is a petition on Change.Org abut this.

At least the law firm who revoked their offer of employment has some standards.

If it's the David Wilson I'm thinking of, he is a professor at a university in Birmingham and an expert in criminology. I stand corrected if I'm wrong.

The point is maryeliza54 that this is a new phenomenon and these are probably the first generation of young men to access further education after a lifetime of exposure to the internet, porn, and games. The results of this have yet to be judged.
If a University, with all the fees it charges, and all the expertise it contains, is not willing or able to do the relevant research and counselling, then there is a real danger that there will be young men who will not only post on-line threats but will take their fantasies into the real world and will rape young women. To imagine that this is an isolated incident and that there are not other young men posting similar things on-line but undiscovered is living in a bubble.
It is not mysoginistic or dishonourable to think that the best protection for women is to research, understand and treat behaviour like this. It is looking at the long term possibilities and trying to change future behaviour rather than just throwing up our hands in horror and advocating drastic punishment.
To blame the young men for the lack of proper process in the university is not addressing the real problem. There may well be a problem with their attitude but that didn't cause the posts.Even if the University has all the relevant processes and correct procedures in place it will not necessarily be a University where the actual events will happen.

Ellan please enlighten me, who is David Wilson? In my ignorance I am imagining the house builder giving culprits a hod and making them run up and down ladders!

Marye There are posters on GN who always prioritise the needs of men over women - I expect these men were brought up in homes that do that. I have never seen that, please provide evidence. Is it all in your mind because you don't like it when anyone stands up for a man? What about that poor chap in Croydon who lost his job, his training and was named and shamed for two years and had done nothing wrong. He just had a nasty vicious ex girlfriend. We should stand up for people who are wronged whether male or female.

Am I right in thinking the messages were never sent to the girls? That might be why the police say no crime was committed. Would love to know what the new evidence was.

I think it is apalling that these men have been allowed to return to the university.
I am just reeling from the discovery that my partner of 25 years has been recording and watching films shown on TV in the early hours of the morning containing scenes of sexual violence and spent the last 4 weekends of 2018, all day Saturdays and Sundays watching hardcore pornography online. We haven't been living together and I have ended the relationship. A lot of what went on in what I have come to realise was a toxic relationship makes a lot of sense now. I never felt loved by him, only used and abused. I don't know why I put up with it for so long.
I can't understand why pornography was legalised it causes so much harm. I have trawled the internet for information on how to come to terms with what he enjoys but have only found articles which support my view.

A few Borstal-type sessions with David Wilson !

It’s not out of order *trisher^ - there is a hard core of misogyny on GN which always finds fault with women when issues around the inappropriate sexual behaviour of men towards them is discussed. Some contributions on this thread follow that long and dishonourable tradition. Where’s the evidence for the re-education and counselling of men like this? And why is it the role of the University to facilitate that? If Warwick want to change behaviour they should do at a macro level which should include a complete overhaul of their disciplinary procedures and a hard look at the representativeness of those in authority - nit just sexual but ethnicity as well

Ready it does’t really matter how these women found out about the ‘chat’. All anyone needs to know is that if you chat privately on line in a vike and disgusting way there is a chance it will become public. Therefore you are doing something in the full knowledge that the people you are chatting about will find out.

ReadyMeals The young lady who was brave enough to bring it out into the open, said that one of the men involved showed it her in an intimidating way.

I would imagine these young men come from fairly supportive and understanding families and yet still they have posted such uncceptable things. If we do not investigate, do not work out how to prevent such things happening, and do not develop a programme of education which combats the ideas that have somehow permeated through all the equality education these young men must have had, we condemn young women to be permanently at risk of such on-line abuse and even worse.
And maryeliza54 it isn't supporting these young men or providing them with an easy option to suggest that education and counselling should be given to them. Chucking them out and discarding them is so much easier, and sounds so much better, unfortunately it won't necessarily help change their behaviour or provide any protection for women.
Accusing other GNers of favouring men because they disagree with you is out of order.

There should definitely been some police involvement. They have brought shame on themselves, their families and the university. They should never be allowed back. They are not boys, which would have been bad enough, they are men. I'm glad they've been named and shamed, this scandal will follow them for the rest of their lives. The way Warwick University have dealt with it has brought shame on it.

Exeter university - one student will be thinking twice about his actions at least:
Law firm Hill Dickinson put a post on Facebook saying: "Following serious allegations made against an individual who was due to join the firm in September 2019, we have now spoken to the individual and revoked his offer of employment."

An incident at Exeter University too:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-43473517

Is this because these young men can somehow detach themselves from what they are posting online? Disassociation of their online persona from their public one?

What isn't clear to me is how this unpleasant chat became known to the women in question? Did one of the group tip them off, or was there some monitoring going on? Because it occurs to me that before everyone started texting, there must have been plenty of unpleasant chats going on in rooms in people's houses over a few beers or whatever that no one ever knew about, and presumably those men never had a question mark over their heads. For all the harm that social media is said to do, maybe there is good too in that it makes it easier to expose people with faulty attitudes?

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Their behaviour is disgusting, even if they were drunk at the time, The university should have booted them out at once.
It is not good enough that people may have left or not before they return. Women have enough troubles in the world without these supposedly intelligent young men threatening them.
Rapists are treated far too leniently in Britain, They should have their balls cut off.

Just to be clear - this did happen last year and has come to light because they are being allowed back to continue their studies.

Apparently they made anti-Semitic and racist remarks too - so how come there is nothing the police can do? Is it because it was a private FB chat?

This should be another wake-up call for the social media giants too - they really need to take more responsibility for what goes on.

There are posters on GN who always prioritise the needs of men over women - I expect these men were brought up in homes that do that.

One of the women concerned decided to speak out - women often delay speaking out because of all the vike abuse and the backlash they receive when they do. And like Iam I’d love to know the evidence base for the rehabilitation that could be offered to them by the University. I’ve rarely read such utter cobblers on GN about the help they could and should be given.l ( and that’s saying something).

I strongly believe that respect for women is at an all time low. It’s very sad