The cliff edges nearer because May doesn’t want to split party!

According to the Guardian Tues 10th April 2018 * we can't stop the export of live animals*
So it must be true.

The EU approves of live animal transportation, once out we shall be able to make it illegal.

I'm not sure why we haven't chosen to make it illegal already, GG13. There was nothing to stop us, apart from the will to do it.

Lemongrove I do think you have a lovely romantic view of what life will be like after Brexit and, of course, I can't know but sadly the Conservative Party (in spite of its name) has always put making money before environmental concerns - eg fracking at the moment.

I know the EU isn't perfect but surely that was what remain and reform was about? The Nordic countries, in particular, seem to be way ahead in environmental concerns and they help pull the others up. As other posters have said we are going to be too reliant on countries like the US for deals with their very low standards.

lemongrove: I think we will be putting in place various policies on climate change once the Brexit withdrawal deal is over and done with. ...Gove is keen on all sorts of green policies...

Yes, Michael Gove has recently discovered the deposit return scheme. In Sweden they have used this scheme for 30 years! What stopped us?

onneker
at least the eu gets climate change
Have you seen how many coal power stations there are in Germany alone!!!!

GG that's a great sound bite but if we have any sort of trade deal with the EU we will have to abide by their rules. Same with the US, they are big, we are small we will have to abide by their rules.

The EU approves of live animal transportation, once out we shall be able to make it illegal.

You don't give two hoots- and that is fine.

But here goes all the same. The Trade deals we are wanting to have with other parts of the world, be it the USA or China. or many emerging economic/industrial powers- have much much lower standards on the environment- be it pollutants, be it animal welfare or antibiotics and other drugs and chemicals re meat of cereals, or other foodstuffs. They are often still reliant on increasing the use of coal, etc. Lower workers' rights, re conditions, days off, hours worked, holidays, etc. Lower standards on discrimination, be it against women or other groups (India for instance) and so on.

In order to allow us to export to them- they will (as Trump as already done) say, well we want to export to you- and you will have to drop your standards- oh, and give us visas in exchange for our people to access the UK. It is plain for all to see- and from their pov, makes total sense.

So many jokes about chlorinated chicken - but it is much much more serious than that. The systematic use of antibiotics for instance, is much more worrying. And the residue from heavy pollutants in all sorts of food too. Never mind welfare... which some would consider as a 'luxury'.

It is quite simple, really.

There is no factual information either way jura as it is all in the future at the moment.
All European governments ( as well as some others) will be working to ensure the future of our planet, even though many countries continue to pump out pollutants.
Why should you think the UK will do any less than say, France or Italy?
I don’t give two hoots if you respond or not as all your posts
Are simply a blanket of misery spreading over every aspect of our leaving the EU, warranted or not.

Thank you GG sorry if I overreacted might be due to previous experience of others who deliberately misinterpret.

LemonGrove:

'There is no reason at all that the UK should fall behind in any green issues for the future'

Could you give me any reasons why it should NOT fall behind on 'green' issues?

I'll wait for your factual information, then will respond. Thanks.

Nonnie, I didn't say that you wanted it for your country, I was referring to the TV program.

I apologise for my clumsy explanation.

It is a really interesting look into the workings of the EU, the last part is shown this evening.

anja you asked what I and others thought about a customs union.Obviously we will be leaving the customs union in March, and the trouble with a customs union is that the UK wouldn’t be able to set it’s own tariffs.
Since MP’s are all over the place with what they actually want, who knows what will be decided, but they are likely to go for a customs union presumably.

Urmston I disagree that it is semantics, it is not the better deal we were promised. You are however right that there would have been howls of derision if it had been worse.

No GG I haven't. Why did you suggest I wanted that? I find that people who twist what others say are doing themselves a disservice and very few people are taken in by it.

jura rather wish that you wouldn’t start ( at all) as your every post is filled with gloom and doom and armageddon scenarios.
There is no reason at all that the UK should fall behind in any green issues for the future, and the fact that you think it will ( presumably) is to do with every negative thought and message you can cram into all threads to do with Brexit.

Sorry Maizie I think I did acknowledge your post. I should have asked if anyone new had replied.

Anyway moving forward did anyone say they would be happy with a Customs Union ...

I did, Anja

And added the rider that it would be far better to stay in the EU as we would have a say over everything.

As for the claim that the EU didn't let the UK get its own way, can I remind you all that when the Chinese were flooding Europe with cheap steel and threatening our steel industry, it was the UK which objected to the EU's anti-dumping measures and so blocked them. The NE suffered with the resultant closure of the steel works on Teeside.

Love it PECS - can't believe you took time to find one, lol.

oh Lemon, where to start ...

onneker I think we will be putting in place various policies on climate change once The Brexit withdrawal deal is over and done with.Trade talks will go on of course, but can’t see any reason why the UK cannot do all we would have done had we stayed in the EU and in fact, we could go even further than EU countries are doing, why not, it would be our choice.
Gove is keen on all sorts of green policies, but no doubt others are too.As a country we are already not too bad where the environment is concerned, electric cars can’t be all that far off, diesel cars should be phased out, just for starters.
Brexit has taken centre stage for two years but that should change soon.

I do agree that Gove (surprisingly) has made a good job at environment. Surely Owen Patterson has held this role previously and made a serious cock-up of it?

Apologies to the other GG if my language again offend. Perhaps I ought to have said balls-up?

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just saying

Anja ?

If you start another thread on this topic onneker you may well find you get a lot more response than posting on this one..

Sorry GG13 ‘Twas another to whom I refer!

The issue that most concerns me is climate change. The topic is shamefully neglected on Gransnet. I read all the posts by Lemongrove, Day 6 etc (the articulate and intelligent Leavers )to see what they think we will be doing after Brexit but find nothing. At least the EU seems to get climate change although some of its policies eg the introduction of LED lightbulbs are castigated by the popular press as if the EU was condemning us to sit in the dark rather than try to save the planet. Michael Gove is (surprisingly) doing quite well but it is said that he will be moved after Brexit. Do we really fancy Owen (the badgers moved the goal posts) Patterson or Chris (failing) Grayling in charge of all matters to do with climate change? Aren't we better off in a bloc to tackle this burning (literally) issue together?