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The cliff edges nearer because May doesn’t want to split party!

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Anja Mon 11-Feb-19 07:39:59

Theresa May has effectively ruled out Labour’s proposal for a Brexit compromise, stressing her objection to staying inside a customs union. “I am not clear why you believe it would be preferable to seek a say in future EU trade deals rather than the ability to strike our own deals?” she wrote to Jeremy Corbyn. The PM argued that her own Brexit plan “explicitly provides for the benefits of a customs union” in terms of avoiding tariffs, while allowing “development of the UK’s independent trade policy beyond our economic partnership with the EU”.

She accepted a customs union could potentially have delivered her a Commons majority but at the serious risk of splitting her party.

The letter comes amid a growing presumption that while May remains officially committed to putting a revised Brexit plan to MPs as soon as possible, in practice this is unlikely to happen before the end of February. Business leaders have called for quicker action, with the head of the CBI, Carolyn Fairbairn, saying the UK is “in the emergency zone of Brexit now” and the confusion will not just affect jobs and investment, but harm the UK as a long-term business destination.

PECS Mon 11-Feb-19 14:16:35

Funny..it confirmed my remain convictions! polarised forever due to bloody idiot Cameron!

GrannyGravy13 Mon 11-Feb-19 14:15:26

Anja I have not said anything about your language?

merlotgran Mon 11-Feb-19 14:15:08

Inside the EU is a very informative programme. Part 3 is tonight.

If ever I questioned my decision to vote Leave, having seen it I'm now more than sure my reasoning was correct.

Anja Mon 11-Feb-19 14:12:48

merlot ?

Anja Mon 11-Feb-19 14:12:21

Anyway moving forward did anyone say they would be happy with a Customs Union ...which is NOT the same as the Single Market and its commitment to free movement of labour?

merlotgran Mon 11-Feb-19 14:11:58

I've never seen a cuckoo sitting on a fence either but I've always been puzzled about their desire to nest in clocks.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 11-Feb-19 14:11:19

Nonnie have you been watching “Inside the EU the last 10 years”?

They have continually ignored and sometimes humiliated the UK. Why would you want that for your Country?

Anja Mon 11-Feb-19 14:10:49

GG sorry to,disappoint but I have a wide and varied vocabulary and nothing is off the agenda. If I think a ‘swear’ word is called for and it doesn’t meet with your approval just put your fingers in your ears and clutch your pearls....if physically possible.

Personally I’m with Dame Judy

Urmstongran Mon 11-Feb-19 14:09:51

Semantics Nonnie it’s a good deal.
Hopefully the beginning of many more - better or ‘as good as’.
Let’s not be churlish. There would be howls of derision if this first struck trade deal had been regarded as ‘less than’.
Upwards & onwards!

Nonnie Mon 11-Feb-19 13:47:22

PECS Will we have greater negotiating power as an small independent country or as part of a much bigger group with more to offer? I thought there was something abut economies of scale? But I am not a economic expert ... Please stop talking common sense, you are beginning to sound like someone who knows what they are talking about and is using logic. You will soon be accused of 'project fear'. Time to duck.

GG I think its because much of the protection we have has come from EU laws and once they are gone it seems likely that things will go downhill. If you believe there is corruption in the EU then surely the best way to deal with it is to be inside rather than having to follow EU rules and have no say in how it is run?

Hazy I would be interested to know what you mean by how the EU is treating us. What would you do differently if we were in the EU and another country planned to leave?

Urmston does that mean we haven't gained anything? I thought we were promised better deals after leaving the EU.

jura2 Mon 11-Feb-19 13:47:04

PEC - ahahahaha glad you enjoyed that little joke. As for Cuckoos, surely you know they come from the Black Forest in Southern Germany. Must say I have never seen a cuckoo sitting on a fence either - but there you go.

Don't you just love streotypes, hey.

PECS Mon 11-Feb-19 13:43:30

Swiss are known for sitting on fences and popping out when it suits them! Cuckoo!

Nanny41 Mon 11-Feb-19 13:40:01

Another one here sick of the B word, and the total confusion, no explanations, no feeling of a secure future, it seems to be a complete mess.
I would love to sound more positive.

Urmstongran Mon 11-Feb-19 13:34:57

Here’s what we have gained by the new trade deal Labaik

The government has signed a trade deal with Switzerland, heralded as the most significant such agreement in the run-up to Brexit.

The deal, known as a trade continuity agreement, will guarantee future trading terms between the two countries once the UK has left the EU.

It was signed, in the Swiss city of Bern, by International Trade Secretary Liam Fox and the Swiss federal councillor Guy Parmelin.

The agreement is designed to remove the threat of additional tariffs in trade between the two countries and to also to lift the possibility of additional duties on "the vast majority of goods".

The government says that "trading on these preferential terms", as opposed to sticking to the terms of the World Trade Organisation, "will deliver significant savings and help to safeguard British jobs".

It is claimed that the deal will, for instance, avoid around £8m of tariffs being added to the price of cars exported from the UK to Switzerland, while British consumers will benefit from lowers prices on Swiss goods, "such as clocks, watches and pharmaceutical products".

The trade between the two countries is reckoned to be worth more than £32bn per year, making this the biggest agreement signed since the UK voted to leave the European Union.

And that’s just the start.
I’m optimistic.
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Luckygirl Mon 11-Feb-19 13:29:42

I agree that giving a date for triggering article 50 was a major tactical error on the part of TM. I do not know what she was playing at.

GabriellaG54 Mon 11-Feb-19 13:18:47

Hazy52
More fool you. He's an adult. Make him do his own dirty work.

Labaik Mon 11-Feb-19 13:16:04

But it just said on the news that the trade deal with Switzerland is basically the same one that we have via the EU. So what have we gained?

Hazy52 Mon 11-Feb-19 13:14:45

I wish it could all be settled soon. Right from the start there should have been a cross party committee set up to thrash out what was needed from the EU before negotiations were started. Too many personal feelings are getting in the way rather than going for what the public voted for.

I voted to leave on the information given at the time and remembering my mother being dead against joining in the first place when I didn't have a vote. Husband voted remain so we cancelled each other out. Looking at how the EU is now treating the UK I would not change my mind. However, I am being made to feel responsible by son who lives in Europe. He is now going down the route of claiming Irish citizenship through his late paternal Irish grandmother to stop any problems moving around Europe with a UK passport. He has stated he will not be able to visit UK after March in case he can't go back (since then the country he is in have stated they are going to bring in a law for UK citizens to still be able to reside there). I have had to get six birth, marriage and death certificates and husband's passport notarized just to accompany the form which have cost nearly £100. After getting three certificates and being told he needed more I did raise the subject of the cost having not budgeted for it and being so close to Christmas and he said to just let him know the total and he would reimburse. Some three weeks later no sign of funds but he is not short of money, I am being made to suffer. He has said that just applying is going to cost €1000 and I am feeling the blame rightly or wrongly for an expense that is not needed in his mind.

PECS Mon 11-Feb-19 13:12:00

Praise the Lord!

EllanVannin Mon 11-Feb-19 13:09:51

This Brexit is an utter disgrace which flies in the face of the good that the late Margaret Thatcher achieved by bringing in foreign investors. The economy was at its best because of the low interest charged for foreign trade/businesses.
Foreign trade was encouraged for the good of the country and its inhabitants.
Now, we're pushing them all away ?? Why ?

We'll never see its like again since the demise of MT. We're going further and further down the mire without a strong leader.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 11-Feb-19 13:07:27

Why do people assume that after 29/3 the UK standards will automatically be lower?

I would be happy for the UK to emerge like a phoenix and be a beacon for finance and services.

We have got a manufacturing industry in the UK, but so many are only to keen to talk the UK down adinfinitim.

There is nothing wrong with Europe but the EU us corrupt, why when so many of you decry that the H of C’s is corrupt and a jobs for the boys network are you happy to contribute to the EU?

jura2 Mon 11-Feb-19 13:02:50

I do remember the days when M&S stuff was all made in Leicester. The seconds shop was brilliant. But this is another story. it is not the EU that closed the textile industry- it was the need/wish or greed for low prices. And the jobs did not go to the EU either.

GabriellaG54 Mon 11-Feb-19 13:02:16

PECS
Evidently not you.
'We' was used loosely as most people don't look at the place of manufacture when buying and those that do, often still choose to purchase, as any other shop will most likely have similar items made in the same places.

PECS Mon 11-Feb-19 13:01:58

Will we have greater negotiating power as an small independent country or as part of a much bigger group with more to offer? I thought there was something abut economies of scale? But I am not a economic expert ...

Urmstongran Mon 11-Feb-19 13:00:35

jura2 just watched Liam Fox & his Swiss counterpart signing the trade deal. Excellent!
Many more to come hopefully.
No Deal is looking more and more likely on 29th of next month - eek! So close now - Remainers cannot coalesce around what proposal ought to stop it.