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The cliff edges nearer because May doesn’t want to split party!

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Anja Mon 11-Feb-19 07:39:59

Theresa May has effectively ruled out Labour’s proposal for a Brexit compromise, stressing her objection to staying inside a customs union. “I am not clear why you believe it would be preferable to seek a say in future EU trade deals rather than the ability to strike our own deals?” she wrote to Jeremy Corbyn. The PM argued that her own Brexit plan “explicitly provides for the benefits of a customs union” in terms of avoiding tariffs, while allowing “development of the UK’s independent trade policy beyond our economic partnership with the EU”.

She accepted a customs union could potentially have delivered her a Commons majority but at the serious risk of splitting her party.

The letter comes amid a growing presumption that while May remains officially committed to putting a revised Brexit plan to MPs as soon as possible, in practice this is unlikely to happen before the end of February. Business leaders have called for quicker action, with the head of the CBI, Carolyn Fairbairn, saying the UK is “in the emergency zone of Brexit now” and the confusion will not just affect jobs and investment, but harm the UK as a long-term business destination.

jura2 Mon 18-Mar-19 17:55:23

serious and informative - well look at andy's 100s of posts- no information, no links, no real opinion - so not very informative- just as an exemple.

To be fair- the Labour Party- is just as split as the Tories. And JC much worse than Mrs May, however bad she is.

If you had one Party wanting one thing, and another wanting the opposite- the situation would be (relatively) easy- but both are totally divided, and with sub groups wanting totally different things. How on earth is the EU supposed to negotiate, when the country is totally split, and the main parties totally split - and don't agree, on either side, never mind each other on opposite sides- what they actually want ?!?

varian Mon 18-Mar-19 17:49:03

Not for the first time lemon you misquote me.

Anyone who has been paying attention for the last three years should have learned by now that the whole question of the relationship between the UK and the other 27 members of the EU, and the implications of us leaving the EU, is a very complicated question.

If we take it seriously there is much to be discussed and anyone who still thinks it is simply a matter of "just leave" has a great deal to learn.

andycameron69 Mon 18-Mar-19 17:18:08

oooh mumsnet a fun place, zzzzzzzz

All will be fine not lone to go til we exit.....

celebrate here

fun times.

good times prosperity for GB

lemongrove Mon 18-Mar-19 16:47:22

So only Remainer views are ‘serious and informative’ now, according to varian .......dear oh dear.

lemongrove Mon 18-Mar-19 16:45:26

My point was varian that posters of all views are replicating exactly the same thoughts on all threads, it’s rather silly and could be all one thread.

varian Mon 18-Mar-19 16:42:44

Mumsnet has 50 brexit threads which have had postings on the last 5 days, that is just the first page of brexit threads and there are forty pages.

Obviously there is some repetition such as "we won, get over it " which we all see on the GN threads but brexit is the most important political decision of our lifetimes and there is still a great deal of ignorance to be dispelled.

If anything we need more serious informative postings on brexit, not less. Perhaps the leavers are frightened that they might eventually have the light shine on their spurious arguments and their lack of positive reasons for brexit exposed. The two pathetic "good news about brexit" threads have only shown up the total lack of good news about brexit.

lemongrove Mon 18-Mar-19 16:28:10

I wonder if HQ could fuse some of the Brexit threads, as we are saying the same things on at least 3 threads now.

varian Mon 18-Mar-19 16:25:13

Good for Bercow standing up for parliament. He only allowed the second "meaningful vote" beacause there had been some renegotiation, but a third vote on exactly the same deal would be totally against the rules of our parliamentary democracy.

humptydumpty Mon 18-Mar-19 16:01:57

New twist on this announced on the BBC:

Commons Speaker John Bercow has ruled out the government holding another vote on its previously rejected Brexit agreement if the motion remains "substantially the same".

trisher Mon 18-Mar-19 14:36:12

I think andy knows that the EU is 'evil' in exactly the same way as John Redwood is a 'fantastic, honest guy'.
It's just silly banter. We are grans, we are used to children acting up. We can rise above it.
(He's going to come back with some idiotic comment about that isn't he????)
grin just to show I can do them as well!

Greta Mon 18-Mar-19 12:44:54

Yet another post from andy referring to the EU as 'evil'. I find this totally unacceptable. Do we foster good relationships with others by calling them 'evil?' History should have taught us what that sort of attitude leads to. And please, don't tell me it's only a joke. I find it strange that some posters encourage andy to carry on with his childish, offensive comments.

Ginny42 Mon 18-Mar-19 11:34:30

Andy I know I'm going to regret responding to your post, but here goes. The EU is not evil. We have gained a lot from being a member, i.e. regeneration of many city/town centres for example. We have enjoyed trade with partners in the EU and internationally via EU trade agreements. We have been in a partnership in which we prospered, so much so, we were the 5th wealthiest nation in the world AS A MEMBER. What was wrong with that?

The problem was this - the inequitable distribution of that wealth within the UK, leaving some areas grossly underfunded and neglected .

Who was responsible for that? Not the EU. It was the British Government. That cannot be laid at the doors of the EU. WE did it to ourselves. WE inflicted dire poverty on communities and caused families needing food banks. WE imposed austerity on areas already greatly suffering unemployment. WE did it to our own people.

And it turns out there was a money tree after all! The DUP have found it and it's thriving.

The EU and the representatives of all the other nations have a job to do looking to the welfare of their own people. We are wrong to expect them to be overly concerned about what happens to us now and that does not make them evil.

andycameron69 Mon 18-Mar-19 08:19:49

all biased to the evil EU

Ginny42 Sun 17-Mar-19 22:29:12

Thank you for posting that Varian. I've just read about the Andrew Marr show today on which Philip Hammond did not rule out another cash incentive to NI if the DUP backed May's deal. He said the deal would not be put to parliament without the support of the DUP beforehand.

He added that the government do not yet have the numbers to secure the deal and described it as 'a work in progress.'

So the big question is: can the DUP be bribed again - and if so, shame! Cash for votes. We would be very critical of other countries who cannot manage their governance better.

John McDonnell said TM risked 'destroying all confidence in our political system' if she was considering giving another 'bung' to the DUP.

varian Sun 17-Mar-19 20:18:04

ITV political editor Robert Peston writes -

"The prime minister’s frantic last attempt to persuade Northern Ireland’s DUP to back her third meaningful vote on Tuesday involves a promise that if the controversial backstop is ever triggered, Great Britain would adopt any new food and business rules that could be forced by the EU on Northern Ireland.

This is a high risk offer by Theresa May to NI’s unionist party - which has huge clout with her because without its votes in parliament her government would collapse.

As a minister told me, for the DUP to accept the offer it would have to trust that a future prime minister and government would honour the pledge - which cannot be guaranteed even if May legislates for such alignment (because any law can always be repealed).

May’s offer falls far short of the DUP’s demand that the EU must change the so-called Withdrawal Agreement, to remove the potential for business and food regulations between Great Britain and NI to diverge - and thereby, according to the DUP, create a new kind of legal border between NI and the mainland.
It also risks alienating some Brexiteer purists because it would keep the whole of the UK tied to the EU’s single market and undermine further the ability of Westminster to - in their words - “take back control”.

What is perhaps worse and would rub salt into Brexiteer wounds, this unilateral British acceptance of alignment with EU rules, for as long as the backstop is in force, would not remove the responsibility of EU institutions to routinely interfere in UK affairs, to check that goods and food flowing from GB to NI meet EU standards.

So logically the regulatory alignment offer should not pacify and win over the DUP.

But sources close to the DUP tell me that - to their surprise - it may have done.

If so they would announce this entente as soon as tomorrow."

andycameron69 Sun 17-Mar-19 19:42:00

this is one big happy family all thinking the same way together, jolly exciting


andycameron69 Sun 17-Mar-19 19:41:03

oh they will try and buy the DUP. of course.

glad my posts are being accepted in an amazing way

I thank you.

freedom and democracy, I might just crack open a beer.


Ginny42 Sun 17-Mar-19 18:18:32

I see Philip Hammond was at the talks with the DUP last Friday. Anyone seen whether there was another cash offer? The other one is up in June.

Ginny42 Sun 17-Mar-19 18:13:25

Another of your jokes Andy? It's the way you tell'em.

trisher Sun 17-Mar-19 18:05:33

And so liberal and broad minded!

andycameron69 Sun 17-Mar-19 17:24:27

john redwood is a fantastic honest guy

andycameron69 Sun 17-Mar-19 15:31:16

jabber well said a great post


Jabberwok Sun 17-Mar-19 12:40:19

Project fear wasn't exactly the truth. Wheeling in President Obama to threaten us wasn't exactly very neat and rubbed people up! what he said was rubbish particularly as his presidency was nearing its end! An emergency budget?!!!! Both sides lied! The side of the bus? Well that was for AFTER we left! As we still haven't left, how can that be a lie?!!

petra Sun 17-Mar-19 11:39:38

Andys 'joke' was in reference to humptydumptys miss spelling of the the word 'David'
I can understand that you might have missed it as it was one might call 'humour'

andycameron69 Sun 17-Mar-19 09:04:07

lol funny