The cliff edges nearer because May doesn’t want to split party!

The real problem is that the Leave lies are indefensible. [Grin]

Tory peer Baroness Ros Altmann writes "The Tories won’t be forgiven for a hard Brexit – which equates to a massive tax rise on business"

inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/no-deal-brexit-business-tory-party-ros-altmann/

I think us Leavers are all posting on the Brexit Good News thread MaizieD.
A lot of us have moved on from all the negativity and doom surrounding this and other Brexit threads.
I for one am happier than the Remainers on here to look for encouraging signs about Brexit and am not going to post any more on the other Brexit forums!
Yes, maybe I’m delusional.
But then again maybe not and I’ll feel a helluva lot happier about it all in the meantime!

So disappointed that no Leaver has come to the defence of the Leave lies.

The UK gives the EU a gross contribution of £350 million a week. This is not a lie, and it is an amount which could be spent on the NHS if the UK Government so wished. These are usually touted as lies, but this stems from 'Remain' campaigners being unable to tell the difference between the words 'gross' and 'net' as well as the difference between the words 'could' and 'will'.

I'll comment on this one, Urmstongran.

The National Statistics Authority refuted this at the time. Their statement and correspondence here:

www.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/news/uk-statistics-authority-statement-on-the-use-of-official-statistics-on-contributions-to-the-european-union/

European Council President Donald Tusk, said western political civilisation would be destroyed if the UK voted 'Leave'. As you are currently reading this, it is safe to say western political civilisation has not ended. Therefore, we must conclude this was a 'Remain' lie.

I don't recall Donald Tusk being a participant in the UK 'Remain' Campaign. You can call him out for his statement if you like, but don't call it a 'Remain lie'. Nothing to do with the UK Remain campaign.

David Cameron implied in a speech about the "serried rows of white headstones" that World War 3 would be upon us if Brexit occurred. The last time I checked the UK had not invaded Poland or any other country, and therefore we must conclude this was a lie.

David Cameron implied nothing of the sort. He was referring to the fact that the EU had helped to keep the peace in Europe for 70 years. Which was not a lie. It was Boris Johnson who twisted his words into a prediction of WW3. You know, Boris Johnson, that confirmed liar who was sacked by a national newspaper for lying... And from what I've seen since the referendum it's Leavers, with their determined hatred of Germany, who seem to be intent on making Jonson's lies become reality.

George Osborne predicted tax rises and spending cuts would be implemented. To date, no changes to the planned tax rates or public spending have been implemented. So, another lie, and thankfully after his sacking Osborne is no longer in a position create his 'punishment budget'.

I don't know what planet you're living on, Ug but cuts to public services continue. Nothing to do with Brexit, really; just the tory's vicious and completely unnecessary austerity policy.

"A dangerous fantasy" is how Nick Clegg described Nigel Farage's claim of EU plans to create an army. Barely three months on from the Referendum, Juncker proposed an EU Army. I'm looking forward to Nick Clegg's next apology video like the one he made after his last whopper!

Juncker can propose away, but it is up to the Member States to agree to it. This notion that Juncker determines the direction of the EU is a leavers fantasy.

David Cameron said he wouldn't resign as Prime Minister if he lost the Referendum vote. Enough said.

Well, bloody hell! That was Cameron's very own personal lie and really not a terribly significant one in the scheme of things. Scraping the barrel here, I feel.

The former Prime Minister also tried to claim the UK could manage its immigration policy while inside the EU. Why are 'Remain' campaigners insisting we start to control immigration in any Brexit deal then? Because we cannot control EU immigration now, proving Cameron was lying.

We always could control EU immigration, it's just that governments never bothered to. I haven't noticed any Remain campaigners insisting that we start controlling immigration in any brexit deal, though they may well be reiterating that it has always been possible. And as for 'controlling immigration', figures released today show that, unsurprisingly, immigration from the EU has fallen (indeed, why on earth would they want to come to the country which has made it so clear that they are unwanted?) but immigration from non EU countries is at it's highest since 2004. How very odd.

Universities wanted the UK to remain in the EU because leaving would result in Horizon 2020 funding disappearing. The Chancellor, Philip Hammond, has agreed to keep this funding in place.

Oh, they should have had crystal balls to tell them what was going to happen 2 years down the line! This is absurd; genuine fears dressed up as lies.

Now explain why the list of lies varian posted aren't lies at all...

Thanks lemon
No comment though on my post at all from varian - speaks volumes!
I get sick of all the negativity so now & again I’m spurred on to look things up to redress the balance.
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The important thing, is that the UK decides, and the UK only.

Immigration ( always assumed by Remainers to be Leavers entire reason dor exiting the EU) means nothing to many of us.The UK needs as many overseas workers as it needs it could be less or it could be more!

Great post Urmston ?? Well said.

Interesting. Immigration figures released today show that, although immigration from the EU has gone down, immigration from countries outside the EU is at it's highest level since 2004.

So ending Free Movement of people from the EU doesn't seem to be having any effect at all on the numbers of people coming to the UK

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47400679

Voting to restrict immigration from EU countries was really rather pointless it seems...

There is no evidence that attitudes among Eurosceptic MPs towards Theresa May's Brexit deal are softening, Conservative MP Peter Bone has said.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47400522

The brexit bullies of the ERG are stamping their feet and demanding their own way, but perhaps even Theresa May is beginning to realise that she has given into them for far too long.

can you imagine the effect on OAP homes and hospitals too?

Controlling immigration was the reason given by many who voted leave, yet the UK government has not exercised the controls over EU and non-EU immigration that it could have done. This government has pandered to the anti-immigrant lobby by proposing curbs on "unskilled" immigrants (ie those earning less than £30k per year ).

Not only would that exclude many teachers, nurses and other highly skilled public sector workers, it would, according to the manufacturers organisation Make UK damage key industries.

The government’s proposed salary threshold for EU migrants will “decimate” the UK’s manufacturing base, according to Make UK, which is urging the government to phase in any minimum earnings level.

According to the manufacturers’ organisation, formerly known as EEF, 88% of employees working in skilled roles in manufacturing would not meet the salary threshold of £30,000, laid out in the government’s immigration white paper.

www.personneltoday.com/hr/post-brexit-immigration-salary-threshold-disastrous/

The Eurobarometer survey (May 2018) shows highest support for the EU in 35 years in EU countries.

www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/eu-affairs/20180522STO04020/eurobarometer-survey-highest-support-for-the-eu-in-35-years

Petra we have met people in Holland, France, Portugal and Southern Ireland who think that if their countries had a referendum it would come out in favour of leave.

If Article 50 is extended the UK would have to hold EU elections in May, another waste of money.

I read a quote from an ex EU President yesterday along the lines of - "they (the UK) are looking into the abyss with our knife (the EU) at their throats and a gun in their back" who in their right mind would want to be part of an organisation like that.

*sigh
No varian

Try these:

The UK gives the EU a gross contribution of £350 million a week. This is not a lie, and it is an amount which could be spent on the NHS if the UK Government so wished. These are usually touted as lies, but this stems from 'Remain' campaigners being unable to tell the difference between the words 'gross' and 'net' as well as the difference between the words 'could' and 'will'.

In reality the lies came from the 'Remain' campaign.

European Council President Donald Tusk, said western political civilisation would be destroyed if the UK voted 'Leave'. As you are currently reading this, it is safe to say western political civilisation has not ended. Therefore, we must conclude this was a 'Remain' lie.

David Cameron implied in a speech about the "serried rows of white headstones" that World War 3 would be upon us if Brexit occurred. The last time I checked the UK had not invaded Poland or any other country, and therefore we must conclude this was a lie.

George Osborne predicted tax rises and spending cuts would be implemented. To date, no changes to the planned tax rates or public spending have been implemented. So, another lie, and thankfully after his sacking Osborne is no longer in a position create his 'punishment budget'.

Remainers said there would be an immediate Brexit recession. No recession to date and finally Mark Carney, the Governor of the Bank of England, now admits he is "quietly optimistic" about Brexit. Lie number four.

3 million people in the UK will lose their jobs was the fictitious figure banded about. However employment is UP! Another lie.

"A dangerous fantasy" is how Nick Clegg described Nigel Farage's claim of EU plans to create an army. Barely three months on from the Referendum, Juncker proposed an EU Army. I'm looking forward to Nick Clegg's next apology video like the one he made after his last whopper!

David Cameron said he wouldn't resign as Prime Minister if he lost the Referendum vote. Enough said.

The former Prime Minister also tried to claim the UK could manage its immigration policy while inside the EU. Why are 'Remain' campaigners insisting we start to control immigration in any Brexit deal then? Because we cannot control EU immigration now, proving Cameron was lying.

Universities wanted the UK to remain in the EU because leaving would result in Horizon 2020 funding disappearing. The Chancellor, Philip Hammond, has agreed to keep this funding in place.

These lies were spouted by the 'Remain' campaign during the EU referendum.

It is about time us Brexiteers challenged this ridiculous narrative of leave lies and remain truths. We voted 'Leave' for control over the laws of this country, and the patronising suggestion we are gullible idiots is quite frankly ridiculous. Remain campaigners should look in the mirror if they want to find a liar. The sooner we Get Britain Out of the EU, the better.

GG13
Someone wrote: they couldn't do it with tanks so they're doing it with banks.
Did anyone hear the man on talk radio? He is an Englishman with an Italian wife and a house in Italy.
He stated that Italy are ready to leave.
We aren't the only ones between a rock and a hard place.
The eu want to extend article 50, but not for too long because they are terrified of Farages new party putting MEPs in the eu parliament.

Are these the experts you listened to before you voted? (actually only the last two were telling the truth)

‘Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market’ – Conservative MEP Daniel Hannan

‘Once we have settled our accounts, we will take back control of roughly £350m per week’ – Boris Johnson

‘The UK loses out because other members favour a highly regulated and protectionist economy’ – Jacob Rees-Mogg

‘Turkey (population 76 million) is joining the EU’ – Vote Leave publicity

"Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards in any negotiation" - John Redwood

" A free trade deal with the EU will be the easiest trade deal in history" - Liam Fox

"Over 70% of our laws are made by the EU and that we have lost our sovereignty" - Nigel Farage

"People in this country have had enough of experts" - Michael Gove

“Only a madman would actually leave the market,” - Owen Paterson

"If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy." - David Davis

Please don’t be so condescending varian I did my homework too you know before I voted. I must have just listened to and agreed with different expert opinion than you did!

You voted for it. Most of us did not. If there is a People's Vote (and I would prefer that it wasn't needed) then I hope you will consider the facts before you vote again. Did you vote for your children and grandchildren to be worse off, to be less secure and to be citizens of a once-great country which became the laughing stock of the world?

This is exactly what Remainers cannot get their heads around. That, even after all the mismanagement, petitions to cancel Brexit, calls for a second referendum, a People’s vote, an extension to Article 50 etc ... we Just Want To Leave.
It wasn’t a suicide note (to us).
Frustrating to you Remainers I can appreciate that.
But in the last 32 months it’s been bluddy frustrating for us Leavers too!

That is the only reason the leavers ever give, yet we all now know that the referendum was ill conceived, fraudulent and won by lies. Many who believed the lies now realise they were fooled by the illegal leave campaign. Just because you wrotea suicide note you don't have to jump off the cliff.

Of course we could revoke Article 50 varian but what about the majority - the 17.3 million of us who voted to Leave?
No. Just get us out.

Latest figures show (according to @afneil) :-
The Euro has netted Germany €2 trillion

it's cost France €3.6 trillion and Italy €4.3 trillion.

Am I the only person that finds this worrying.

To quote "It's a German Empire hoovering up everyone's wealth. - replacing the Panzers with a union and currency"

Fraser Nelson, writing in the right-wing magazine The Spectator, comments-

"The only certainty in the Brexit process is that there is no certainty. Brexiteers had long sought solace in the fact that, by law, the United Kingdom will leave the European Union on 29 March with or without a deal. But it’s now clear that this is not necessarily the case — or even likely. As we have seen this week, Theresa May is not in control of her party any more than Jeremy Corbyn is in control of his".

www.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/breaking-point-can-either-labour-or-the-tories-survive-brexit/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_content=020319_Weekly_Highlights_09&utm_campaign=Weekly_Highlights