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The cliff edges nearer because May doesn’t want to split party!

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Anja Mon 11-Feb-19 07:39:59

Theresa May has effectively ruled out Labour’s proposal for a Brexit compromise, stressing her objection to staying inside a customs union. “I am not clear why you believe it would be preferable to seek a say in future EU trade deals rather than the ability to strike our own deals?” she wrote to Jeremy Corbyn. The PM argued that her own Brexit plan “explicitly provides for the benefits of a customs union” in terms of avoiding tariffs, while allowing “development of the UK’s independent trade policy beyond our economic partnership with the EU”.

She accepted a customs union could potentially have delivered her a Commons majority but at the serious risk of splitting her party.

The letter comes amid a growing presumption that while May remains officially committed to putting a revised Brexit plan to MPs as soon as possible, in practice this is unlikely to happen before the end of February. Business leaders have called for quicker action, with the head of the CBI, Carolyn Fairbairn, saying the UK is “in the emergency zone of Brexit now” and the confusion will not just affect jobs and investment, but harm the UK as a long-term business destination.

Nonnie Thu 14-Feb-19 16:37:55

andy I think you imagine you are funny, you are not.

andycameron69 Thu 14-Feb-19 15:42:44

maizie thank you so much, happy valentine's to you hope you enjoy yourself, with good company good wine and lovely grub.

you are a good egg indeed.

wine flowers

I am known to be harmless, handsome but alas dim !!!

MaizieD Thu 14-Feb-19 11:58:49

I don't mind andy at all. His posts are mercifully brief, too absurd to take seriously and actually quite amusing.

Happy Valentines, andy

andycameron69 Thu 14-Feb-19 11:15:14

I like it here very much

thank you.

everyone is allowed an opinion

mine is just as valid as the others pet
smile
out we go from evil EU

Greta Thu 14-Feb-19 11:09:06

andycameron69, I can imagine even people who voted leave and regularly make intelligent contributions to this forum are beginning to find your posts embarrassing. Hands up, Leavers, if you find andycameron69's comments informative and relevant.
Please Andy, go and play elsewhere with like-minded.

Caledonai14 Thu 14-Feb-19 10:46:00

I think kicking the can down the road is beginning to irritate even the PM's pals.

andycameron69 Thu 14-Feb-19 10:19:14

fabulous times ahead

leave right out

totally free from the evil EU

Britain will be great again.

Davidhs Thu 14-Feb-19 10:16:01

Andycameron69 didn’t take his tablets today, he is under the illusion that there are Brexiteers that really want “no deal” there are none.

They all want a “cake and eat it” deal where UK wins and EU looses. No deal means everyone looses

andycameron69 Thu 14-Feb-19 10:10:01

oh tipps you are a scream

what great humour you have

adorable and most endearing.

fact.we are leaving with a lovely hard out Brexit. end of story
great times ahead.

cannot be stopped love

andycameron69 Thu 14-Feb-19 10:07:16

jura you are totally adorable and a real cute gal.

Such lovely attributes.

Out we go no deal WTO

the only way is out..

v excited

it's called democracy and the majority of voters voted out dearie.

easy to comprehend.

great exciting times

crystaltipps Thu 14-Feb-19 09:40:23

How many of the unelected WTO can you name Andy? I think the head is from Brazil. Great coffee and nuts. Let’s face it most Brexreemists don’t want to leave the EU because they want to get rid of free trade with Europe. I didn’t know Weatherspoons had WiFi. Btw.

jura2 Thu 14-Feb-19 09:34:14

Yes dear- have you remembered to take your tablets this morning, dear.

andycameron69 Thu 14-Feb-19 08:31:23

Carney is a snake and a liar too, left wing Communist. He and his wife are founder members of 20.20 Canada group group in Canada. He is a shambolic traitor

petra Thu 14-Feb-19 08:17:10

I see that Mark Carney has dropped his project fear rhetoric. He's started talking a bit more positively about the uk post Brexit.

andycameron69 Thu 14-Feb-19 08:06:30

I am so excited about WTO upon leaving the EU cesspit. great times ahead and free of being governed by the vile corrupt EU. No deal is the only real Brexit, all other "deals" are remain.

Love this forum

Anja Thu 14-Feb-19 07:12:27

Missed the point.

GabriellaG54 Thu 14-Feb-19 03:58:47

'Scottish' oil has been very good to many families including those in England, including mine.
Sat diving is not a doddle but it paid/ pays well and provided us with luxuries that the income from many other jobs would not match, not by a long chalk.

Anja Wed 13-Feb-19 21:36:38

Yes, funny how Scottish oil was allegedly running out at the time of the vote paddyann but as it was Cameron in power you surely cannot imagine that it was a con! ?

paddyann Wed 13-Feb-19 21:30:26

Oh and we only get 8% of the tax revenue on the oil WM has the other 92% ...bitter ...you bet I am !

paddyann Wed 13-Feb-19 21:29:10

Scotland is the ONLY country in the UK who consistently year on year since records began has EXPORTS that are higher than our imports .WE also can be self sufficient in power and water .We need to walk away from the bloody westminster clowns .We balance our budget every year and yet we only have £46% of our income to do it on.WM takes the rest and thast not counting OIL ....thats the oil they said was running out in 2014 and yet in the past months we've been told of Trillions of pounds worth still to be brought up and more licenses sold.Still wonder why WM wants to hold onto us?? WE voted remain .

PECS Wed 13-Feb-19 21:26:10

I do not think anyone was imagining starving! Just changes that may or may not cause a rise in the cost of weekly shopping and inability to buy things that have become staples. Ans all avoidable too!

Davidhs Wed 13-Feb-19 21:19:49

We do actually grow enough Wheat most years, the yields have increased greatly since WW2, we do however import some Canadian high protein wheat to increase the quality.
We have a lamb surplus which is exported, Beef is in deficit, made up by imports mostly from Ireland.

If needed food production could be increased, if shortages caused price increases that would be an incentive to produce more and 80% of demand could be achieved.

But there isn’t going to be a food shortage because although Dover will be a problem othe ports around the country will take more. There is likely to be some disruption of some imports and consumers will have to buy an alternative, that is a far cry from starvation

PECS Wed 13-Feb-19 20:57:57

Hope with all my might you are right petra but I am not holding my breath!

petra Wed 13-Feb-19 20:50:51

and now the NHS is up for sale to trump
Absolute hogwash ( that's the polite way of putting it) wink

varian Wed 13-Feb-19 19:30:41

According to Isabel Hardman, writing in the right wing magazine The Spectator,

"Tory MPs in the European Research Group have spent this evening meeting with chief whip Julian Smith which is supposed to quell the threat of a government defeat tomorrow. The amendable motion that MPs will be voting on has gone from promising a 'Valentine's Day massacre' to being something rather boring, and back to threatening drama in the space of a few days. The reason for this change is that the motion isn't written to Brexiteers' satisfaction. It currently reads:

‘That this House welcomes the Prime Minister’s statement of 12 February 2019; reiterates its support for the approach to leaving the EU expressed by this House on 29 January 2019 and notes that discussions between the UK and the EU on the Northern Ireland backstop are ongoing.’

The problem the ERG has is that by supporting the approach expressed by the House on 29 January, MPs are effectively saying that no deal is off the table, thanks to the motion tabled by Caroline Spelman and Jack Dromey that MPs passed on that date. This was not a legally binding motion, but Spelman has argued that it is ‘morally binding’. Brexiteer Tories want tomorrow’s motion to make clear that no deal remains an option, arguing that otherwise Theresa May will have a much weaker hand in her dealings with Brussels."

I am glad to say that my own MP, who has been listed as a member of the ERG, has said categorically that there is no chance at all of a no-deal brexit happening. So we have a split, not only in parliament, not only in the Tory party, but also in the ERG party-within-a-party.