Corbyn's true colours revealed - "Defeat' the EU!"

jura2 I know we are different sides of this whole Brexit debacle, but I wholeheartedly agree with everything in your last post about JC.

by not supporting them in key votes - and by seeking alliances with other remain parties to defeat them. Quite simple really. He is aiding and abetting all the way.

And he has wanted out of the EU himself for a very long time- that is very clear.

He said he would accept a second vote if he didn't manage to get a vote of no-confidence leading to a GE. He didn't get it- and yet, is refusing to support a people's vote- and now probably left it too late. That was deliberate.

If I understand rightly, his prepared the letter to Mrs May with senior colleagues. It included a passage on People's Vote. He then took out that passage without consultation with his Senior colleagues- and now claims he forgot.

If he forgot such an important thing- he must have serious memory problems and headed for dementia...

if it took it out of his own bat- what is he then- a traitor to his party?

Yes, LP should be HM Loyal opposition- so why is he aiding and abetting this catastrophy- which we know will decimate the economy, industry and agriculture with all the jobs attached.

He wants Brexit- against the vast majority of his party members. He will wait until Brexit is done, hoping the disaster will turn the public away from Mrs May- and he will force a GE and thinks he will get in that way. Despicable, dishonest- and he won't.

jura2, please inform me how Jeremy Corbyn from his position as leader of the opposition could have prevented this shambles of a Tory government bringing this nation to the commercial and economic crisis it now faces.

After all, the Labour party are Her Majesties Loyal opposition.......not the government?????

I remember conversations not long ago at all, when we were told 'don't worry. he is playing the long game and will be able to act at the last minute- fear not...'

and some of us said 'NO he has to act now or it will be too late' and the reply was, again and again 'just wait patiently he will save us just in time'

and no, the answer is ' too late, too late' and you expect us not to be angry and feel betrayed.

And I can assure you I am not swayed by the DM or any tabloid. And I was never anti Corbyn either. I am now- and 10s of 1000s too - ex LP members who have torn our cards and not paid our subs.

So he run the clock down, pretending to sit on the fence. And only recently, he wanted a GE- how long would that have taken.

Makes no sense, no sense at all.

And it will throw us into No Deal. And I and many others will blame him, and blame the LP for letting him do it.
He could have stopped it

jura2, sadly it's too late now for a peoples vote which could take up to twelve months to set up. That would be twelve months of more of the uncertainty that is destroying British Commerce and industry even now.

I believe Corbyn genuinely moved towards the government at the weekend to try and stave off a "no deal" Brexit, and in doing so may have put his leadership of the Labour party on the line.

Same old, same old - yes- and that is the problem.

We have just a few weeks to save us from the cliff edge- and JC is refusing to oppose. Was not party conference politcy that they would facilitate a peoples' vote if they did not succeed in calling for a GE?

Did the letter to Mrs May, approved by his most senior colleagues, contain or didn't contain the mention of a second Referendum? And did he choose to leave it out without the approval of said senior colleagues.

Jalima1108 Quote [ Jeremy Corbyn has remained loyal to the Brexit policy set out by the Labour party conference which was drawn up by the twelve thousand voting delegates that attended that conference.
hmm

but what does he think about it?] End Quote

Jalima1108, it matters little what Corbyn thinks personally of the Conference policy on Brexit. He was elected as parliamentary Labour party leader to put forward and deliver (if possible) the policies of the Labour party as democratically balloted in by the majority of Delegates at its annual conference.

That Makes a refreshing change I feel, especially when placed against the farce that was last Septembers Tory party conference. There, one day the delegates applauded Boris (The Buffoon) Johnson to the roof for going after Theresa May's job, and the next day those same delegates Applauded wonderfull Theresa May to the roof for having that job.

Now that's what you call policymaking.

Same old - Same Old!!!!

No GE = peoples' vote.

Agree about the jobs and economic wellbeing- so why does he go with it, aid and abet May? Time is running out.

lemongrove, the Mail on Sunday I believe devoted twenty pages to "slagging off Corbyn" by way of a book publication that many in the media today demonstrated contained a huge amount of false information.

The above I believe gives out to the whole electorate just how desperate the political right-wing in Britain have become to turn attention away from the looming Brexit disaster that is unfolding and also in their actions real fear of a collapse of this government and the formation of a Labour government. That most certainly would not be in the interests of those that make up Britains tax haven press owners.

Jeremy Corbyn has remained loyal to the Brexit policy set out by the Labour party conference which was drawn up by the twelve thousand voting delegates that attended that conference.


but what does he think about it?

Well, there are some who are far worse than Jeremy Corbyn in their words and actions.
Jacob Rees Mogg for example
Yes, but he doesn't try to hide the fact so we have the choice to agree or disagree with him.
No shilly-shallying, obfuscating or smoke and mirrors with him!

Whereas with Jezza I have no real idea what he thinks so don't know whether I agree or disagree with him.

jura2 in regard to your post at @20:46, Jeremy Corbyn has remained loyal to the Brexit policy set out by the Labour party conference which was drawn up by the twelve thousand voting delegates that attended that conference. For that, Corbyn has been accused of "sitting on the fence" by Britain's right-wing press.

Corbyn this weekend moves towards this shambles of a government in an attempt to form some agreement that will stop Britain "crashing out" of Europe without a deal.

What does Corbyn receive for that, criticism from within his own party for moving away from the Conference policy. However, Theresa May then rejects his move out of hand and again "kicks the can down the road" to appease the Tory party rabid right wing.

However as stated earlier in this thread, the Labour party are not the party of government in this crisis. However, the Tory party are the party of government, and what happens there (currently a total shambles) is of the utmost importance for many thousands of jobs and in that the economic wellbeing of all who reside in Britain.

Deviation from the thread subject so early?

Corbyn has been sussed over a lot of things in the last year.
He did well at first as nobody knew anything much about him, but he has been exposed now as a weak vacillating excuse of a leader, who cosies up to Hamas the IRA, Madhuro and Russia!

Can anyone suggest how we'll manage without the backing from the EU ? This will be after many businesses have pulled out and gone abroad.
Whose going to invest in a country which has nothing to offer in return ?
We're already living with austerity, but--------you ain't seen nothing yet !

Corbyn is waiting in the wings for the country to fall on its a**e then he'll jump in. ( God forbid ) The man is anti-British, anti business, anti capitalist and anti Semitic. Business people will leave in their droves if he ever becomes PM ! Those who are left and are comfortably off will be taxed to the hilt along with anyone else who earns over a specific amount. We'll be wrecked !

Day6, it matters little what happens in the Labour party, for they are not the party of government at this time of crisis in Britain.

However this shambles of a government is made up of the Conservative party where the divisions in that party have taken this nation to the very edge of disaster. Only today, over 30 leading food manufacturers and distributors have written to the government stating bluntly that they simply cannot cope any longer with all the uncertainty over Brexit.

In the above, those companies need to gain certainty for forward planning, processing and ordering even from outside the EU. In that, what do they witness, Theresa May again kicking the can down the road to keep the rabid right of the Tory party quiet.

Party before country. Self-interest before national interest.

It's not what's happened in the past with Corbyn or anyone else in politics; it is what is happening now.

Didn’t Labour & Conservatives say honouring the result of the referendum was part of their election manifesto?

Only the LibDems canvassed on holding a 2nd referendum .... and they only got 7% of the votes for their trouble.

Grandad- I agree that there is much worse.

But for NOW, JC is facilitating the slide into catastrophic No Deal. We only have a few weeks - he sat on the fence so so long. And now he is playing silly games. The letter to Mrs May, agreed with Senior colleagues from LP, did include the bit about a Second Ref.- and HE CHOSE to exclude it. We all know he did NOT FORGET - but he went against his own party, and against the decisions at Conference.

Why oh why re you trying to excuse him all the time?

That's a socialist ploy Grandad - deflecting and making it about May. It won't wash, even though many politicians are behaving disgracefully of late.

Corbyn changes his views on the EU more frequently than he changes his underpants....that's the point.

EllanVannin Quote [ Grandad1943------I suggest you read the early days of Corbyn.]

So, Corbyn now has different views since his "early years". However, could not the same be said of Theresa May, being a remainer but now leading the effort for Britain to leave Europe, (and failing miserably).

It can be honestly stated that everyone is entitled to change their view, especially if that is based on life experience.

Yes, M0nica, I used to see Corbyn as an enigmatic backbencher rebel and quite enjoyed his angry outbursts. I thought he was principled and slightly eccentric, but he has proved he is anything but.

He is being exposed as a real fraud, and a dangerous one because he plays games, shifts his position almost daily and comes across as someone who desperately needs notes before he speaks. Definitely lacking in brain power I'd say...or conviction. Makes one wonder who really leads the opposition. His strings are being pulled by Momentum, who will ditch him before long for another Militant socialist.

How disappointed are the hordes of young Jezza fans going to be when they find out their Remain hero is nothing but a hypocrite who really wants to destroy the EU?

Sums him up MOnica

Depends on who has his ear at any given time. After reading some of the information about him revealed in a new biography. He strikes me as being a bear of very little brain, who is rather proud of not using what brain he has.

The daft thing is, as a Leaver, I fully agree with JC.

The EU is and should be a left wing cause. Big businesses love it because a mobile, nomadic workforce (open borders) can not be unionised. Wages are suppressed, big profits are made for the fat cats, who are laughing all the way to the bank. They are all Remainers.

IF Corbyn had stuck to his beliefs and fought continually to leave the EU he would have had my respect. I don't know what games he is playing but I suspect it's all about forcing a general election and opposing everything May does.

He is a busted flush as a politician.