Petition to stop Brexit

Grandad varian is correct, it would not take 12 months to organise a referendum based on reality. The EU has already said that in the event of a referendum they would extend the deadline so that is the only sensible thing to do.

I think it is appalling that some people suggest we accept anything other than a vote just because they are worried about a backlash from leavers. What does that say about leavers? Are they all violent thugs? If they are we should stand up to them.

I'm hoping it reaches the 100,000 to at least be debated! TM's plan is proving a failure with remainers/leavers alike, so let's try something novel - how about we go back to being a wealthy nation with a fairer distribution of the wealth?

I read today that TM's nett worth last year was over £2M, so she's well able to cope with whatever the outcome. No drop in living standards in that home. Perhaps the very wealthy feel cushioned against possible hardship and can be glib about the situation where the rest of us will struggle with increased prices and job losses.

83,726 have signed now

Grandad There is already an atmosphere of division in the country and it's stability is already at stake.
May did not take the wishes of the Remainers into account, or seek the opinions of any other party until she found herself in a hole of her own digging.
I knew it wouldn't be long though until the Labour Party was blamed for refusing to go along with her unworkable deal. And how many times do the EU negotiators have to tell her that they will not renegotiate ?
She is obviously playing for time so that MP s have no choice but to vote for her discredited deal or jump off the cliff of No deal. This is blackmail.

It is laughable to call a 'people's vote' undemocratic.
She is not interested in democracy but just pandering to the whims of the ERG.

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It would not have to take twelve months to organise another referendum. It could be done on the same day as the EU elections. Voters would be asked to chose May's deal or Remain, and also select MEPs as before. The MEPs would only be elected if Remain won. If My's deal won we would imediately leave and no MEPs would be elected.

Having said that, I would still prefer parliament to Revoke Article 50 before 29th March. If only MPs had the courage to do their duty, refuse to be intimidated by the extreme right and their loud mouthed supporters threatening civil unrest, and act in the best interests of the country.

and yet Corby and his followers kept saying- oh just wait, oh just wait, oh just wait ....'

and now say 'oooops to late, sorry'

Will never forgive him or them.

I have always believed that Britain should remain within the European Union. However, I genuinely feel that with time now so short prior to the 29th March that should the UK now not leave on that day, the very stability of the country could be at stake.

In the above, it is sadly too late to hold a second referendum as that we are told would take up to twelve months to arrange. Therefore anyone can imagine just what an atmosphere and divisions in the country would be generated during that period and throughout that campaign.

Therefore I believe the best that can be achieved now would be to ensure that Britain leaves the EU on the above date, but we withdraw with a customs agreement. That would ensure continued free movement through the ports and resolve the Irish border issue.

In the above perhaps Britain could then "sort out" the rest of this mess that is entirely self-created over the years to come. In that, I feel we could well be applying to rejoin the European Union again within ten years.

I do not like stating the above, but that I feel is the position we are in.

I think that it rejects you if you've already signed it. It's happened to me before now.
As you say, there are so many petitions circulating one loses track...

Signed, and over 80,000 now. Hope there’s an inbuilt mechanism for discounting duplicates. Don’t think I’ve signed this one before but would have done if I’d seen it and there seem to be a few similar ones going round

I wonder if the negotiations would have gone better (and quicker) if the UK negotiators were not themselves pro-EU.

Negotiations are mostly undertaken by civil servants. Civil servants are expected to be politically neutral in the carrying out of their duties.

So:

1) Leavers who keep bleating this mantra are, in effect, accusing our civil servants of being highly unprofessional

2) How can they possibly know what the UK's negotiators' stance is on the matter of Brexit (apart, of course, from the fact that civil servants at this level are pretty intelligent and unlikely to have been influenced by dog whistle scaremongering; which = more likely to have voted Remain)

It may also have escaped Leavers' notice that the Brexit Secretaries appointed by May were all Leavers and all absolutely useless They had their chance. I am pretty sure that May herself is really a Leaver; she only supported Remain because she thought it was going to win. Leave, for her, has been her golden opportunity to exercise her xenophobic dislike of immigrants. Apart from very rich Russians, of course. They donate handsomely to the tory party--

Which brings me to another question.

Nonnie says: What we need is for the investigations into the cheating by the leave campaign to come up with their findings right now.

A dossier on the Vote Leave campaigners who were found by the Electoral Commission to have broken Electoral Law was passed to the Police for criminal investigation over 6 months ago. Why has nothing been done about this? And why, when she was Home Secretary, did May not allow investigation into the source of Aaron Banks' money? Its source is opaque and his Russian connections are very suspect...

Over 80,000 now, keep asking your friends to vote and it will have to be discussed in parliament. Only 20,000 to go

What we need is for the investigations into the cheating by the leave campaign to come up with their findings right now. If they did then TM would have grounds for back tracking and allow another, legal vote. I keep wondering why it is taking so long.

I wonder if the negotiations would have gone better (and quicker) if the UK negotiators were not themselves pro-EU.

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Personally I cannot understand what is undemocratic about a democratic vote.

After another defeat in Parliament yesterday for the PM's plan, how can she now go back to the EU claiming she has the backing of her government? Why would they waste time listening to her? Some MPs still want a second referendum,others want no deal off/on the table. What a shambles, but one we should have foreseen. Well some of us predicted this would happen, but we were just scaremongering. .

Surely the wisest thing to do now is to revoke A50 and get back to restoring our economy, 'reinventing' our manufacturing industries and investing in our health and social care and education. The public services have been pared back to the bone, but money can be found to get the Tories out of a tight spot.

Please consider signing this petition and get the country back on it's feet again. It could give the moderates the window they need to press for a return to sanity.

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That's not true. Closer to 3 million.

Even more people who would be relieved, then! (unless I have my figures the wrong way round. Is it 3 million in UK and 1 million in EU?)

Though actually, no-one really knows how many non British EU citizens are in the UK because there was never any sort of record or count of them...

76,000 now!

MaizieD
the 1 million non British eu citizens living and working in the uk
That's not true. Closer to 3 million.

75,000!

Petition: 74,784 @ 21.41

Hi-jack alert

The E.U. would be delighted varian if the government revoked Article 50.
^So would all those who voted Remain.
The majority though (who voted Leave - remember us?) would be furious.

Weeelll,

Demographics calculations point to the fact that, by virtue of the passing of time, we have 'lost' sufficient Leave voters for there to now be a majority for Remain; assuming that people would still vote as they did in 2016. So, on that score there would probably be more people relieved than furious..

Add to 'relieved pile' the 3 million UK citizens living and working in the EU, many of whom were unable to vote, the 1 million non British EU citizens living and working in the UK (none of whom were able to vote), and the 2 million young people who have become eligible to vote since 2016; most of whom would vote Remain, and you have considerably more than 17.4 million people who would be very pleased if A50 were to be revoked.

Conversely, if it isn't revoked there are also considerably more people who will be very angry.

(Then, of course, there are those who didn't vote for one reason or another, but who do now have a view; many of whom would also be relieved if A 50 were to be revoked.)

I reckon there'd be more relief than there would be anger.

A bit of a problem, isn't it?

The negotiations are a shambles indeed GrandmaKT and I despair that we are where we are. I don’t want to hijack Nonnie’s thread by going off topic so I shan’t say more here.