Put it to the people march - are you going?

I'm marching. For one thing, it's the only time that I can wear any pro EU clothing without fear of being physically or verbally abused by leavers. I still find it hard to believe that I am afraid to openly display my political colours in what used to be one of the most tolerant countries in the world. And the newspaper advert [propaganda] I saw today regarding holiday insurance post Brexit sent chills down my spine. Things are happening in this country [my country that I love dearly] that are beyond my comprehension.

I agree that the result of a People's Vote is by no means certain. The same malign forces which operated in 2016 would be likely to spin even more of their lies and whip up the feelings of those who respond to the use of inflammatory language, using terms like 'traitor'.

We live in a parliamentary democracy and the best thing would be for parliament to revoke Article 50, but if that does not happen and the people are asked to vote, nothing could be taken for granted.

I do not think we can assume that a re-vote would end in a remain vote. The government was complacent about that before - and look what happened? I really think that the leave voters will be very angry indeed and will turn out again in their droves to say we told you once, and now we are telling you again. They have been led to believe that the vote was binding (dubious legally I know) and they will feel very aggrieved.

That ought to be on Ug's 'good news thread, oughtn't it?

Today I have discovered two surprising things -

1 - In our little village in a Leave supporting constituency a long way from London, with a Tory MP who is listed as a member of the ERG, more than 5% of the population have already committed themselves to going on the PV march on 23rd March.

2 - a friend who is generally not interested in politics told me that she thinks a vote on the deal would result in a huge REMAIN majority because she thinks folk are sick and tired of brexit.

+ of course the billions they can reap from disaster politics - on shares and Trust (?!?) funds and Hedge funds - Sterling gets dumped and they hit the jackpot.

As so well described in the book written by Rees-Mogg's father- an expert in making fortunes on the misery of others via disaster politics. BINGO

People, and Mrs May and co, say on and on, on a loop- that giving people an informed Vote on the current deal and situation - would damage trust in our political system.

I find that hypocritical and ridiculous in the extreme. Pushing through with Brexit, despite knowing the massive damage it will do, how it will decimate agriculture and industry, put the NHS at risk, make us totally vulnerable to the whims of Trump and others we NEED deals from, in a very weak position - is what will damage TRUST.

And doing so based on lies, fraud, dodgy money, foreign interferference, massive lies - etc, etc, etc - IS what will lead to damage in TRUST. Look at Mrs May now cancelling the vote on Tax Evasion ?!? This is what it was all about for Cameron and ERG friends, Bannon and the like. The EU is clamping down on tax evasion and tax havens - and THIS is why they want out. Simples.

Excellent post Jura. How anyone who follows the news can still think the 2016 Referendum result was 'binding' is beyond me. It isn't and Jura has explained that very succinctly above. The lies which made it invalid are well documented.

To put another fallacy to rest, we can have a new Referendum, should the government decide to go down the democratic route. Frankly that would be the wisest thing for the Government to do now - to give the power back to the people. If they're in anguish about where to place their loyalties, let the electorate decide.

How does Cameron sleep at night?

Re the result being binding - I truly and honestly don't think so.

A) our Sovereign Laws state clearly that Referendums can only be advisory in our Parliamentary Democracy

B) it is now crystal clear that fraud was comittted, lies told, dodgy money used, illegal non public targetting of some groups, foreign interference, and more... and that the Government had not got a clue and had done NO research whatsoever as to consequences.

We find ourselves in the absurd situation that the Electoral Commission agrees that severe irregularities were committed- that would make a vote void - but they can't do so because the vote was advisory only. How ridiculous.

That makes a new Referendum (not a second) on the facts, what we know now, and what Deal is on the table and its consequences- the only Democratic thing to do at this stage.

Was David Cameron right to give us a referendum.. NO
Was the result binding ... YES
Can we have a second referendum ...NO
Have the Politicians messed up ... YES
Can we the British people come out of this stronger... YES
We can make this work if we stop crying because we can’t have what we want. My friends in France, tell me, if they got a second vote (which they won’t get), they would vote to leave. I saw signs of Frexit dotted around.
If more people who wanted to leave, got off their bottoms and voted, they would not be crying now. My husband is a prime example. Ranting and raving about leaving, but too complacent to vote. If we would put energy into marching for a better Britain, it would be more productive.

Hmm.
Like they failed to do straight after the ‘other’ referendum then?
Jeez.

I would only wany to participate in an advisory referendum not in a decisive one. I want to let the elected decision makers, the MPs, know my opinion on any confirmed arrangements that have been negotiated to leave the EU. They can then see the feeling of the electorate and make the decisions they are paid to do.

I do take the point that not demonstrating about something you feel passionately about for fear of "thugs" is not a good situation. And those who demonstrate clearly feel that their protest has some concrete purpose.

We have had one referendum that was hugely flawed - another similarly flawed referendum is not going to help I fear.

It is attitudes like andycameron69 's that make me feel the need to march.

I know he does not represent all leave voters..but it must be a worry to be in an alliance with people who really don't appear to have thought beyond their own egocentric needs.

Thank you andyC

And why the need for a march when the Lib Dem’s manifesto offered you ALL the chance of a second referendum? Funny how they only polled 7% of the vote!!

Then form a political party to bring about a rejoin referendum that will exert enough pressure to bring one about.

Have fun storming the castle girls & boys.

good post urmston

Fair enough PECS
I did it at the ballot box in June 2016. Seems I should’ve stayed in and washed my hair for all the respect it got (none).

oh and it was the majority of voters that were for leave..

not the minority droning on remainers.... oh that is the minority...

laughs my head off..

end of ...

we won

you lost

thats the way the democracy works.............

go GM such good fun seeing her making a fool of herself

hey lucky girl

love your post, long and boring... so dull.. enjoy evening

varian it was actually 135428 poeple who marched then dear, you must be thrilled we re leaving,, out out

Urmstongran just to know I have had the chance to show what I feel., done what I can , within the law, to influence decisions. I see it as a responsibility.
Also I could not moan about it later if I had not been active in opposition!!

Why should parliment respect this any more than they are respecting the referendum? What do you actually hope to achieve.

I hope the bill for policing this event will be sent to Open Britain.

You cannot not do what you think is right because other people might break the law. People stayed too quiet in the late 20s and 30s and look what that led to!