LP anitsemitism / CP islamophobia

I think we need to be aware of all the elements involved here. Whatever the situation regarding anti-semitism in the Labour party there is a substantial and organised element that would not wish to see a Labour government headed by Jeremy Corbyn because that government would be more sympathetic to the Palestinians and that is something the Israelis would find unacceptable. Quite what lengths they would go to prevent this are unknown.
There undoubtedly is Islamaphobia within the Conservative party but I very much doubt if the majority of members are involved.
The problem with all this publicity about both accusations is that it feeds the prejudices of the far right and the far right is in ascendence in many places.
It is however only the left who have actively organised to stand against all prejudice hence the NoPasaran! meeting in London on 2nd March and the Newcastle Unites group organised after an attack on a Muslim school in Newcastle. Making accusations does little to stop prejudice and may actually fuel it. Standing up and speaking out against all racism and prejudice is what works.

The Equality and Human Rights Commision could be starting a legal investigation into anti semetism in the Labour Party .

‘Having received a number of complaints of
Anti semetism in the party we believe Labour May have
Unlawfully discriminated against people because of their
ethnicity and religious beliefs , their concerns are sufficient
To consider using their statutory enforcement powers ‘

Anniebach, Islamophobia is in my opinion even more prevalent in the Conservative party than anti-semitism is in the Labour movement. Jenny Formby was correct when she pointed out to the Labour party NEC, that what are regarded as racist remarks will always occur in a party of over half a million members, along with an affiliated membership of over six million. In that, you simply cannot control what every person states.

However, the Conservative party has a total membership of around one hundred thousand (far less many analysts believe), and yet, without doubt, they have a substantial and growing problem with Islamophobia that they seem only to wish to ignore.

Below is an article from the Asian Image publication of October 2017 that reports on an invitation given to a Hindu preacher Tapan Ghosh by the Tory MP Bob Blackman. He was requested to speak at two meetings within the British parliament. This person is so extreme that he has even condoned the genocide of the Rohingya Muslims in Burma.

Article from Asian Image begins here:-
Labour MP has called it "incredible" that a Tory backbencher would host an event in Parliament attended by an "anti-Muslim extremist".

Naz Shah said that Tapan Ghosh held "abhorrent views" about Muslims, saying Parliament should not be "a platform to propagate and legitimise hate and extremist views".

Tory MP Bob Blackman said he did no accept Mr Ghosh's views, but said it was right that MPs "have the opportunity to hear evidence from people of what is happening in other countries".

The Tory MP said Mr Ghosh had attended two events in Parliament last week, which Mr Blackman hosted in his role as chairman of the all-party parliamentary group for British Hindus.

Raising a point of order in the Commons, Ms Shah said: "According to many of today's news outlets, (Mr Blackman) hosted anti-Muslim extremist Tapan Ghosh in committee room 12 last Wednesday.

"Mr Ghosh holds abhorrent views, is on record for calling upon the United Nations to control the birth rate of Muslims, praising the genocide of Rohingya Muslims in Burma and also said Muslims should be forced to leave their religion if they come to a western.

The above I find totally disgusting and the Tory leadership refuses to even acknowledge that a racist problem exists within the party.

Link to the above full article can be found here:- www.asianimage.co.uk/news/15623470.mp-shocked-that-anti-muslim-extremist-was-invited-to-parliament/

Diversion

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/06/tories-tough-islamophobia-anti-muslim-conservative-party

This author of this article is Jewish and very JC critical. I remember very well ZG filthy racist campaign to be London Mayor - now what party does he belong to? Hummmmm

Anti semetism in the Labour Party is not exaggerated,

You are trying to draw away from the truth ‘maryeliza* even posting untruths, I have never said I admire the Tory party, how childish, would I have been a loyal member of the Labour Party for over fifty years whilst admiring the Tory party.

I left the Labour .party because it is now anti semetic, i would have left if it had become Islamaphobic .

Constantly crying there is Islamaphobia in the Tory party does not reduce or excuse anti semetism in the Labour Party.

Who said the Jewish MPs are lying? But nicely distracted ab. We know the party ( the Tories) you admire so much and never criticise could never be Islamaphobic Are you saying BW is lying? Or CMF? There’s anti- semitism in the LO and islamaphobia in the CP - the former gets exaggerated and the latter under played and the reason is obvious.

So the MP’s who are Jews are lying ?

Why is Jewish Voice for Labour holding meetings tonight to discuss staying/leaving the Party?

Why has Margaret Hodge, Ruth Smeeth and others asked
Jewish Voice for Labour not to leave but stay in the party and fight the anti semitism ?

MSM? No

Of course MSM can and does exaggerate especially as most of it is anti-Labour and to varying degrees right of centre.

The MP’s who are Jews have spoken out so how can MSM exaggerate ?

No Tory Jew MP has spoken of verbal abuse and death threats . No Tory Jew MP has needed police protection when attending the Tory party conference.

Jal the CMF raised the issue last June and we’re basically ignored

I tried to find out about all parties membership along religious / ethnic lines and couldn’t find this information. The H of C library produced an interesting report showing breakdown of membership according to sex, age, region, socioeconomic status but completely silent on ethnicity/ religion. If anyone is interested in the range of Islamaphobic comments coming from Tory members/ supporters look at Racists4Rees-Mogg on Twitter

Pogs: Given 5 years have passed I think if it was an issue on the scale of the current antisemitism issues within the Labour Party more evidence would have come forward by now, I am sure the media has been searching for a while.

The MSM have exaggerated the amount of anti-semitism in Labour, and have deliberately told lies about Corbyn in particular. They haven't searched for Islamophobia in the Tory party because it doesn't fit their agenda.

By the way, have you seen OfCom is now (finally) examining the BBC for bias?

The anti semetism rose its head when Corbyn became leader. Not a conspiracy theory , a fact.

sorry, MPs - but there are many members

There are only two Muslim MP’s in the Tory party
Surely there are more than two in the whole party? There must be hundreds.
There is a Conservative Muslim Forum and they are aware of the problems within the party

Good post RosieLeah. I've been puzzling about that too.
Maybe part of the answer is that the media reach a much bigger audience now than in the past.

Why has this suddenly become a problem? We have had senior politicians and even Prime Ministers who were Jewish, even though racial and class prejudice has always been there. Perhaps in the past, it was simply accepted, now it isn't, but it hasn't stopped Jews from realising their personal ambitions. Hopefully, MPs will continue to be judged on their merits rather than their race.

labourlist.org/2019/03/labour-urges-jewish-labour-movement-to-stay-but-tensions-continue-unabated/

The suspension has been for things posted on Facebook,

if Labour did the same about anti semetic posts on Facebook the numbers would be in the hundreds .

From the Guardian:

"Tories suspend 14 members over alleged Islamophobia"

I am sure if Islamophobia was as bad in the Conservative Party as anti-semitism is in the Labour party, Labour party activists would have squirrelled it out and shouted about it very loudly by now.

There are only two Muslim MP’s in the Tory party , they should speak out if they are receiving just a fraction of what Labour Jew MP’s are suffering.

If antisemitism or islamophobia is found in ANY political party it should be dealt with.

End of.

I am not saying islamophobia is not in the Conservative Party nor would I say there maybe some with antisemitic views/opinions. Only an idiot would say it was not possible.

I am not saying islamophobia is not in the Labour Party nor would I say there maybe some with antisemitic views/opinions. Only an idiot would say it was not possible.

The way it is handled within a party is an issue.

Sayeeda Warsi was the first Muslim woman to become a UK government Minister and she resigned from the Cabinet in 2014 over Gaza. Her prerogative to do so .Within months of resigning Warsi was saying there was a problem in the Consertvative party and Muslims.

Given 5 years have passed I think if it was an issue on the scale of the current antisemitism issues within the Labour Party more evidence would have come forward by now, I am sure the media has been searching for a while.

I don't see the Muslim Conservative MP's in Parliament saying they are suffering from islamophobia, bullying, intimidation and harassment unlike the Labour MP's of Jewish and none Jewish faith are in the Labour Party.

Labour one target
Tories another target?
It's not so simple.