Shemima Begum

The Home Office is in an awkward position anyway, let one back and about 200 more will follow------do we want that ? As it is our security system isn't exactly on the ball to have allowed SB to travel on her sister's passport. How does her sister apply for another ? With difficulty I imagine.

They all relinquished their passports when they chose to go to Syria to fight.

Someone further up the thread said
I don't understand all the talk of 'Christian' values - we have a Home Secretary who made this decision who is Muslim.

I felt this error needed to be corrected. It is germane to the discussion.

The other women who have had their British citizenship removed were named by the Sunday Times as two sisters, Reema Iqbal, 30, and Zara Iqbal, 28, who are said to have five sons under the age of eight between them and have been widowed after their husbands died fighting for Islamic State.

The sisters, from Canning Town in east London, are believed to be living in separate Syrian camps, where tens of thousands of people have have flocked amid the disintegration of the “Isis caliphate”.

I wonder with Amber Rudd’s decision whether the 2 women might have had dual nationality?

Never mind SJ's religion or lack of it. We have a Prime Minister who makes a very public show of weekly church-going, And this is the woman who, as Home Secretary, advocated 'a really hostile environment' to immigrants.

Apart from weddings and funerals I have not been in or remotely close to a church since I was 17 and that was not exactly yesterday. I did not get married in a church because I do not like double standards. Sorry, I have wobbled off piste.

Precisely, so if anyone described you as a catholic, you would be very irritated.The same applies to Sajid Javed

MOnica I was brought up a Catholic but the nuns finished me off. I class myself now as an atheist.

Two more British women have been stripped of their citizenship. It doesn't look as if the Home Secretary is backing down.

I was surprised that he had stripped two more women with children, given that the SB case is subject to an appeal.

But unless I miss-heard the news, it seems they were stripped by Amber Rudd. I wonder how she now feels about that?

Making anyone stateless is wrong. Leaving our problems out of sight out of mind is wrong. Dumping our citizens who are criminals on others by disowning them is wrong....

.... However I wouldnt say it was "unchristian" since christian churches do have a history of posting their "problematic" preachers abroad on missions so they arent causing problems at home....

Jalima .....love that Mark Twain quote! it’s a timeless classic.

Sajid Javid says the following of his religion
Religion. My own family's heritage is Muslim. Myself and my four brothers were brought up to believe in God, but I do not practise any religion. My wife is a practising Christian and the only religion practised in my house is Christianity.

I think I have also heard him describe himself as an atheist.

Would you describe those who were brought up catholics but ceased to be catholics as adults as catholics? (and there are many such on GN).

It is understood (but not confirmed) that she was killed in 2017. She certainly has not been heard from since then.

I wonder what would have been said if she was an English Rose with a fine upstanding British family

Do you mean like "White Widow" Sally Jones - the former punk rocker who became the leading female IS recruitment officer - is believed to be alive and fighting for the militant group, according to reports"?

So far, she's not asked to be allowed back but I doubt very much that she would be welcomed back either.

I agree with everything in your post POGS, however, I still do not believe that she should have been stripped of her citizenship when she did not have dual nationality. She was born in the UK and is a UK citizen.

I wonder what would have been said if she was an English Rose with a fine upstanding British family, then it would have been a child making a mistake and worthy of taking back into the fold
Well, one could not call Jack Letts an 'English Rose' but no-one seems in a hurry to let him come home either.

I don't understand all the talk of 'Christian' values - we have a Home Secretary who made this decision who is Muslim.
Please could someone explain to me?

And IS arent the only people watching our actions. These countries we dump our problems on may think twice before being our allies in the future!

Yes Trisher, was it not bad enough that we dumped our criminals abroad, that we made paedophile/addict/violent Lords and aristocrats "disappear" by "gifting" them property overseas on outposts where they were free to inflict unlimited misery....

...but now we STILL take the same approach, make our problems someone elses. Wash our hands. Who cares if children are still being radicalised here, not our problem we can just disown them later

Gabriella I was NOT among those advocating votes at 16, for just the same reasons, I have given in my emails here.

I was politically aware from a very young age, but I can see now, and more importantly, I could see then that I had too little experience of life to vote on issues I did not fully comprehend. I was still in my 20s when the voting age was reduced to 18 and I did not think then that it was a good idea.

In the 5 years between 18 and 22, during which I was at university in Newcastle upon Tyne, when the heavy industry in the area, iron, steel, coal and ship-building were all in decline and then returning south and living in North Paddington during the time of Rachman, and the influx of the Windrush generation and witnessing some of what they suffered, my political attitudes and views changed enormously. By the time I got the vote I had begun to understand the complexities of decision making and the choices that needed to be made.

So that is true British honour. Admitt people, let them become radicalised here, then turn our backs and make them someone else's problem. I thought our history of colonialism was bad enough, but at least they took some responsibility for the people they dominated. We now apparently take no responsibility for anything, it's always someone else's problem.

Two more British women have been stripped of their citizenship. It doesn't look as if the Home Secretary is backing down.

She was a child with a child’s reasoning she was groomed she had a man wanting her, in her eyes he was fighting a just cause How many 15 year olds have run away to follow their heart
Her eyes have nothing in them when she speaks, she is empty she seems completely disconnected from the world she has lost everything three babies, her original family, her boyfriend /husband her means to live and her future yet some want to carry on punishing her more and more not only punishing her but wiping their hands of her I thought ‘Christians’ were supposed to show forgiveness and compassion
I wonder what would have been said if she was an English Rose with a fine upstanding British family, then it would have been a child making a mistake and worthy of taking back into the fold

Forgot to add I do feel sorry for the innocent little babies and children.

Begum knew women such as the Yazidi Christians had been raped, tortured, enslaved and probably been forced to watch their families, children and babies slaughtered , raped before they were taken to ISIS strongholds and suffered more abuse . The Yazidi women said the European wives of ISIS fighters were the worst and cruelest of the lot.

So how can it be right to leave them there to be those countries ongoing problem after all thats been done by OUR citizens to that country already?

Do I think Shemima cam be rehabilitated/decinditioned at this point? No probably not shes probably past that point. Do I think there is an easy solution e what to do with OUR returning radicals - hell no its a seemingly impossible situation, but its an impossible situation for the countries we strand them in too, does noone care about that?

At some point a young Shamima fell through a net. It was OUR net on OUR watch. Its our mess to clean up

I agree GabriellaG
Love the quote Jalima