Shemima Begum

Dissociation is any of a wide array of experiences from mild detachment from immediate surroundings to more severe detachment from physical and emotional experiences. The major characteristic of all dissociative phenomena involves a detachment from reality
That, of course, would explain her apathy, her appearance of detachment and probably how people behave when they are in shock too.

Those who claim that their hearts breaks for this girl who supposedly has had three children who have died, need to remember that in an interview she said that the deaths of the first two affected her husband much more than her.

Not the words of a normal grieving mother were they ?

Save your pity for all the hundreds of thousands brutally murdered by the barbaric terrorists SB loves so much.

She should never be allowed to return here, and if it is true that she did indeed have a baby recently who has now died, there is no reason why she should be.

And FFS, she had lost two children already, and this baby was never going to survive without outside help
We don't know why her other two children died, we only have her word for it and babies do survive, as I already posted, in refugee camps despite all.
I must say that she did not look as if could care for this child - she just seemed so apathetic towards it, sadly.

All it shows is that so many posters just want to stick their fingers in their ears about how the grooming and radicalisation of kids doesnt begin and end with the individual kids and the grooming group.

Dont want to hear how society is leaving an INCREASING amount of children in this country feeling disinfranchised and vulnerable to it

Dont want to hear why children like this might find it so easy to turn their back on where they were born and raised.

Dont want to hear why they consider our society SO BAD that going to Syria to join IS is the preferable option

Where did her air fare come from ? Stolen too
One would presume from IS who were recruiting young girls as 'brides'.

POTUS word? Oh yeah , that will deffo be worth a look

So she was recruited at 15, subjected to training and conditioning when she arrived that we know nothing about, she has seen beheadings and other atrocities, lived in a war zone and lost 3 babies and she is still only 19.
As I said, she is in shock and looks defeated.

No it shows what rubbish you spout about " we in the West"

Groomers tell kids that their parents dont care/understand, that their teachers/hcps cant be trusted, and their friends arent right for them............ AND in the case of terrorist cells, that their country is evil, but its okay, it doesnt have to be their country any more there is an alternative...

... yes. Britains behaviour certainly plays a part.
Just like how its easier to groom a kid from a chaotic home, or from bad schools, or bad neighbourhoofs...

Kids dont just go from Zero to IS/other radical follower..
Many are lured through seemingly intellectual group discussions about injustices....

Well there's certainly plenty of examples..
Then get them all riled up and draw them in deeper and introduce an "alternative".

Others are drawn in simply because it'll be the first time they were told they belonged, and are told they are loved by their fellow members...

.... either way the fire is fanned by the groomers

But WE put the ember there in the first place, on way or another

No. I think that the reason British children are easily radicalised (and this isnt just about IS but grooming in general) is because amongst other factors, there are many readily available examples for extremist groomers to use to make them want to distance themselves from Britain.

Its a stage of grooming: to make children believe that what they are turning their back on/leaving is uncaring/bad.

Once they are IN IS then thats not what its about...but it IS a tool used to gey them IN in the first place

The bombing and killing by Daesh in many other countries is relevent, including African countries notanan as you appear to think it’s because Britain/France the US etc have
Behaved badly, and this is some form of payback ( it isn’t.)

No notanan2 this is not an own goal at all.

So what of the all the bombings/killings taking place by IS all over the world,

This thread is about the British members. And we are making our children susceptable to radicalisation, by failing them as individuals and in more general/global terms by making it easy to argue that we are im fact the evil enemy.

Exactly GG13 but thankfully they are not making ground as before.

notanan2 you say....
‘If we hadn’t behaved so awfully on the international stage’
So what of the all the bombings/killings taking place by IS all over the world, including many African countries.
The truth is that Islam ( a perverted view of it) has been the scourge of all countries by these extremists, including many who have not done anything ‘on the international stage’ to warrant anything at all.
We are taking home grown British terrorists back, either they slink back in and vanish or we find them and arrest them.A few have had their British citizenship revoked.This is not normally done unless they have dual citizenship.

As I have posted before our AC is a member of our armed forces, and spends a lot of his time researching, locating and sometimes engaging with Daesh.

They are single minded in their aim of a homeland under their rules, which are nothing like the peaceful way of Islam.

Daesh have cells in most countries, it would be extremely naive to take POTUS word that "they are on the run and beaten"

This is an own goal I fear.

...and Lily65, what a comment.
'White, middle class son'.
Equality?
No no no. He is not only white but middle class.
It just goes to show that with attitudes like yours, dreams of equality and a classless society are dead in the water.

*Daesh are not interested in real or imagined revenge, that their only aim
( fantasy) is a Caliphate of like minded hate filled Muslims.*

Wouldnt be so easy to feed that hate in new/potential members if we hadnt behaved so awfully on the international stage. The washing hands of OUR own criminals and terrorists and dumping the problem on someone elses doorstep, historically and today is one of many examples

To "say".

BRITISH TERRORISTS are terrorising Syria. Who else should take responsibility for them? Really, who?

Lily65
I wrote nothing about meeting 'partners' in pubs.
I wrote that pubs and clubs etc are places/social settings (obviously, among others) where we, in Western society, meet other individuals.
I met my OH via a dating site and I was not 'talking' about SB's meeting partners in such a manner.
It's best to read, learn and inwardly digest was is written, before replying.

Does Syria deserve to be stuck with British terrorists who have killed many of their nationals.

To day that it is UNSURPRISING that many (not just IS) grow angry, resentful towards us when we dump OUR problems like this, is not the same as saying that anyons deserves to be hurt or killed, and those who try to imply it is? I can only imagine are doing so to deflect from pondering some uncomfortable truths

There are now ridiculous posts on this thread saying that Britain deserves payback and we can’t be surprised.
Do these same people realise that IS /Daesh are not interested in real or imagined revenge, that their only aim
( fantasy) is a Caliphate of like minded hate filled Muslims.
Did the teenagers in Manchester deserve bombing?
Did the French people enjoying a market deserve it?
Did the bombings/shootings of people in Nigeria and Kenya
Deserve it? IS members target anyone and any country in their mad ideology of how the world should be.
Fortunately their days are numbered, they only did so well in the chaos of Syria and are being driven to ground in Afghanistan and Iraq as well.They will never go away of course but will never be a force to be reckoned with either.

GillT57

My name is GabriellaG54.
How about spending a nanosecond more and getting it right...eh?

There are more ways of not getting pregnant than contraceptives. I would have thought that most GNers knew that fact.
You weren't off the thread for long, but kept looking and just had to pop back and have another 2 penn'orth. ?