Misreading the country?

there is only one brexit, not a range of traitorous deals that are really remain.

WTO out we go

just get on with it....

also these votes all have no legal standing at all, just a big pantomime

out we go, I am so happy

Lemon Grove, Quote [No, we have agreed a few times, but you may not have always seen the posts. Sometimes threads move on quickly and it’s too time consuming reading everything.] End Quote.

Lemongrove, I must have missed our previous agreements. However, I am on the first full day off from working in three and a half weeks due to Brexit.

So, after listening to all the moans and groans on Brexit everywhere we have been going, our agreeing on the matter really has made my day off.

We should both now stand for parliament and sort this mess out. Although, thinking about it, we would probably end up throwing the Mase at each other.

A lot of them ran away. Rats and sinking ships come to mind.

My favourite Brexit cliche is "we all must pull together".

Yeah, right. You broke it, you fix it. I will be over here with my £2 avocados, waiting for my Porsche to be imported.

I didn't vote for any of this sh*tshow, and I am not responsible for it. The responsible people who wanted this outcome can figure out what to do.

lyndiloo a great post ,

do not worry all these parliament votes have no legal standing , it is a big fiasco

we must leave 29 march, no deal WTO, perfectly fine we will prosper.

Just shows me how many traitors are running the UK...

NO deal will prevail

I think we should leave the EU on 29th March without a deal. From what I've heard (from many MPs) TM's deal is a bad deal. Why on earth is she putting it forward again to be voted on? I don't get it - it's like a form of bullying! i.e. 'Vote this through, or I'm just going to keep coming!' Let's just get out, and be done with it! (And save 39 billion, into the bargain!)

It might take a few years for everything to come right. But in the long run, we're going to be a lot better off, I'm sure.

The trouble is, with this shambles of a Parliament, that most MPs are Remainers, and as such, their hearts aren't in it. If we had had a Leaver for PM, I think we would be set up with a great deal by now, and ready to leave.

And just a constant thought of mine ... Who on earth joins a club they can't leave?

This whole pantomime has been for the extremists to puff themselves up for the coming leadership contest, then I too think May will present her unchanged Agreement which will probably get through. Ironic / hypocritical as she is getting people to vote time and again until she gets the correct result - just the reason she won't allow a second referendum

Indeed- Remainers are 100% united - so a solid 48% and probably a lot more now- against a 52% who just does not know what it wants - so lots of minorities.

So all the leavers out there I ask for some clarity. Firstly what would you do about N. Ireland and the Good Friday agreement? And secondly do you really know what sort of Brexit you want? Because it seems to me that the Leavers are split into several sections from No- dealers who would just drop out, to those who want some sort of a customs union and/or a special deal with the EU. In other words the 52% are not a united front but have voted for different things. The 48% on the other hand voted unanimously to Remain. So the reason the leaavers do not want another vote is not because they believe in democracy but becuse they know they would lose.

Grandad do you really see this deal as 'hope for the world' or the UK for that matter?

What do you think of JC's behaviour in this matter. How long can he change tack, like a little cockerel on a weather vane, blowing in the wind? Once we have NO Deal- it will be a bit late ...

connie MPs don't "give all their power to Brussels", no more than 6% of our laws are EU ones, the rest of our laws are domestic ones on health, education, social care, welfare, transport, police etc etc MPs can make as much mess of them they want. Your post demonstrates the huge misconceptions and misinformation people have about how much sovereignty we have actually got - not that it has done us any good having to suffer Tory austerity- all our own MPs making, nothing do with Brussels.

No, we have agreed a few times, but you may not have always seen the posts.Sometimes threads move on quickly and it’s too time consuming reading everything.
I often agree with posters who I mainly disagree with their views, but when I do agree, I always say so.

Lemon Grove Quote [I think you may well be correct Grandad43 and that the deal will get through the third time.] End Quote.

Lemongrove, I think that must be the first time that you and I have agreed on any matter debated on this forum.

That must demonstrate there is hope for the world yet.

Not misreading the country - more like misleading the country. Meaningless soundbites like "strong and stable", "brexit means brexit", "we are here for you". "respect the result" etc. are all challengeable. The vociferous extremists who think they know what "the whole country " wants are taking an England- centric view, and ignoring the half that don't want anything to do with this mess. If, at the beginning, May had said, the result was really close, we will leave but maintain close ties with the EU, then most people would have said "fair enough", but she was too self obsessed with the Tory party, and to her maintaining unity in the party has been more important than unity in the country. Well that strategy's gone well, hasn't it?

I don't understand why MPs want to give all their power to Brussels. What are they there for? The salaries perhaps?

to the original poster
Germany survived losing the war far better than GB surviving the peace.
Looking back to this time will get you nowhere.
the UK was doing very well as part of the EU and you have thrown it all away.

It wasn’t the people who voted to leave that embarked on ‘a terrible course’ it was MP’s from the Conservative and the Labour side not agreeing on anything, too many factions all wanting their own way, muddying the waters and infighting.

Merkel will not leave until it is sorted with Brexit. The the UK will be glad she is there to put in a good word for them. Other countries will now think twice before entering into any agreement with the post Brexit UK.

I am keeping a low profile but I have done my panic buying in the form of Mamade which I use to make marmalade which I also give away as small presents. Its too heavy to take on a plane so I now have 6 tins which should last me 4 years.

The UK may have come to decision by then.

It is amazing the posters who still go on about just leaving. The UK has signed thousands of deeds and documents which have now to be anulled.

You wonder what they were thinking when the leavers started on their terrible course which has ruined the country.

I've always thought TM was the wrong person to handle the negotiations.
Those mysogenists in Brussels don't like her and neither do her own party.
While I had had some respect for her at first I now think she's just being bloody minded.
If there was to be a GE I couldn't vote for any party. They're all a disgrace.

newnanny, we lost democracy once we realised the Referendum was won on massive lies, proven fraud and foreign interference and dodgy money, manipulated by Trump and Putin, as well as illegal targetting by Analytica.

I think you may well be correct Grandad43 and that the deal will get through the third time.

I genuinely believe the way our MPs are voting is totally self interest and not a thing to do with what the people want/need/deserve. If we do have a second referendum I believe many will take to the streets in protest. I would hate that. Quite awful, but hugely understandable. I would certainly vote out next time if they have the temerity to call a second poll. I may have known 'little' (but enough to satisfy my decision making) on the first occasion but I now see the true colours of the EU and parliamentary members. No thanks to both.

Greta: Your Q which European country is in most chaos at the moment?
There is no doubt we are in a mess, but my point was why would we want to stay when we are seeing signs of discontent and wanted changes by people in other European countries? To quote...."all empires crumble eventually.'
Centralised power is the wrong way to go!
It doesn't help when 'remainers' are backed by the BBC who more and more show bias, as expressed by so many people.
I would urge you to watch an interesting You Tube by Steve Attridge
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM_GggKpBTY

no deal is sounding good. T M has had plenty of time to sort things out, I really hope they do not prolong this any longer. JUST GET ON WITH IT. People voted to leave, so lets just do that. What will happen will happen and we will get on with it as we always do.