Misreading the country?

‘Hotel California.......you can check out but Never leave ‘

newnannie ,I think our country will prosper with a No Deal ,may take a couple of years but everything is looking up already.As the man on the radio said May’s Deal is a bit like ‘Hotel California’.......you can ever leave so WTO it is hopefully.

I think we lost more than Brexit last night, we lost democracy. Very sad when I consider that many people in UK lost their lives to preserve freedom and democracy.

If they worked in the private sector many of them would be sacked by now.

The main problem we have is that in UK the electorate is majority leave population but we have a Remain parliament and the MP's are not voting as their constituents bid them. We need a GE to vote out candidates who vote against their constituents wishes, whether that be Leave or Remain. They are supposed to represent the electorate of their constituencies not to ignore them.

If we had a second referendum there would be huge arguments as to the choices on the ballot paper. I voted out and initially wanted to leave with a deal, bit after May cobbled together a Remainer deal, which is not really Leave at all, I would want to vote to leave with no deal. Many other Leave votes feel the same way now. I saw poll last week stating 44% of voters now want to just leave with no deal. This was a mixture of Leave and Remain voters.

andycameron,that’s what the Remainers all want ......they want to keep having referendums until they get the result that they want.....it’s laughable but then you have to realise that the Remainers think that the rest of us are all thick,stupid & don’t know what we voted for......I don’t understand why they think they are all so superior ????

Varian Most people contrary to your belief don't want to remain hence the 2016 verdict to leave over remain.
I ask were there to be a second referendum and again leave outnumbered remain what do you believe the government should do clearly having done 'sweet all' up to date .

Varian, do you know anyone who voted to leave because of foreign interference? The only foreign interference I can recall was Obama saying if we voted to leave we would be put at the back of the queue. Personally I voted to leave because I am sick of the astronomical waste of moving from Brussels to Strasbourg every month. All that money is being wasted every month purely for political reasons. It is sickening.

Thank you Newnanny for that hopeful news.

It comes to something when people are hoping for a return to the world wars. Millions didn’t “survive the challenge “.

not another vote for whom and fr what mcem???

Do you think Mrs May should be allowed to brring the same deal again to the House, for the 3rd time?

Nan Kate I have heard DG will have to answer to his own party on March 29th and may well be deselected as he is not voting in accordance with Tory Manifesto and his constituency wishes. So you might get a different person you can vote for at next GE.

**NannyC2^: Europe is not what it was, it is falling apart.

The UK is not what it was. Q:Which EU country is in chaos at the moment? A: The country that, thanks to their 'strong and stable' government, was going to deliver an orderly exit.

The biggest challenge ever faced by the UK was surviving WW1 and then when eleven years later thrust into WW2.
Europe could do little or in fact anything to assist at the end of these wars as they too were as we in the UK in survival mode
We in the UK are still up and running & anyone who believes by leaving the EU we are doomed then think again.
NO greater challenge has been before us than surviving the aftermath of the two wars in Europe and without those across the channel who needing assistance them selves were not in any position to help the UK
We did it then we will do it again.
Listen up TM what ever you have planned for us.

That's yet another knee-jerk reaction. Not another vote!

Does blatant lying and deception deliver democracy?
I'd accept the result of a clear and valid vote, albeit unhappily.
This whole fiasco has come about because of a series of knee-jerk reaction - Cameron's devious ploy, May's miscalculated GE, reactions within parties etc!
We'll compound the chaos if we go for yet another.

I am beginning to think a second referendum is a good idea. In the last two years the people able to vote will have changed. Voters slightly too young before can now have their say.

Sadly we now know that the House of Commons is mainly filled by idiots who cannot run the country or who even have an interest in running the country.
They are only in it for themselves and we are at their mercy,
I wanted to leave before as I am afraid of a federal EU dictating to so many countries how to live but now I can see that we are governed by people who are unable to do their job.
So maybe it is better to stay in the EU and sack half of the MP's saving money that way.
What do most of them actually do? My MP is well known but is utterly ineffective.

I don't see how so many people are afraid of just exiting??

Europe is not what it was, it is falling apart. For decades, the world has known a liberal and united Europe, but the Old Continent is in a deepening crisis which has disturbing implications for democracies across the world.

We are now seeing the greatest refugee crisis since World War II which is overwhelming the continent, while Jews flee by their thousands. Populist parties are increasing significantly.

In Germany, Angela Merkel is set to depart. Macron - with a 23%of approval is facing a state of national emergency. Italy and a lot of Eastern Europe are looking to assert more national sovereignty and claw back more power from Brussels.
Who knows what will happen in the European May elections...........

I am still totally confused by the whole Brexit issue! I don't really trust any politician to tell us the truth and should there be another referendum, I think we will still be sold lies and misinformation.

I feel like going into Westminster and telling the politicians to grow up and stop acting like children fighting in the playground - each one not listening to anyone else but just repeating themselves louder and louder with hands over their ears! Nah, nah, nah!

I really don't know what will happen, according to what I have read or heard, our economy will suffer whatever is decided. I voted remain but have to accept the slight majority decision to leave so I just want the politicians to get on with it. I don't think that another referendum is appropriate nor a GE - too many lies will still be told!

Correct Andy.

perhaps we can just keep having referendums until Remain win?

If ever?

Is that democracy?

The majority voted Leave, so No deal and onto WTO

the legal default

As a sideline question to the dreaded B word.....what say do the constituents have in the politicians who leave their Party to set up a separate one? Did they get a vote in the decision and if they are not serving their constituency for the Party to which they were elected, surely there should be a bye-election?

I'm looking at it differently.
If you spend a couple of years trying to coax a fractious toddler through the "terrible twos" you don't then run out of patience, stamp your feet and stomp off when things are seriously difficult.

A ridiculous analogy, I know, when we're watching the chaos caused by our so-called leaders.

Ken Clarke has said that this is such a momentous decision that we have to ride the storm and, instead of demanding an immediate solution, right now, we should be demanding a solution that will sustain our children and grandchildren.

We could hope that a change in leadership, a general election, a second referendum might give us that but at the moment we are justifiably losing hope.

Who would have predicted the present scenario?
Who can say what might happen now the pressure is really on?

I believe a second referendum with very clearly defined criteria might do it. There were so many flaws in the last one that it just can't be trusted.
If seen as honest, truthful and correctly conducted a second one would be far more acceptable, whatever the result.

I understand full well why you worry about your grandchildren's future, but yesterday I was discussing things with a dear friend and got to talking of what we hav lived through.

Too long a list to post here, but we started with Nasser nationalising the Suez Canal and worked our way through the Middle East, Ireland, India versus Pakistan, Vietnam etc.

You can all add to the list, as we have lived about the same amount of time. Even although the list is dire, I have enjoyed life and still do. I'm sure you all have too.