Misreading the country?

I believe that it is now inevitable that Britain will leave the European Union this year. However, I also believe that we will witness further chaos in this government and also within the House of Commons prior to Theresa May bringing her withdrawal agreement back to the house next Wednesday when it will be passed.

In the above, (and with the provision that this government survives the next few days), no other agreement is on the table or likely to emerge from the political chaos in the coming week. Therefore, with no majority in parliament to leave the European Union on WTO terms, a majority will form to accept Mays deal in the absence of anything else.

So, no stopping of Brexit, and no leaving on WTO terms is the situation the country will find itself in this time next week I believe.

Hear Hear Jane10 & Megan 123.
Just flaming do it! Get out now & sort it all out later. We will survive & eventually prosper.
I can never vote for my local MP ( Sam Gyimah) again after the way he has behaved.
I feel very sorry for Mrs May having so her supposed supporters turning against her for their own benefit.

Victory is victory , narrow or wide

I read this morning that MPs are now calling for 'unity' and an effort to do the best for the country. I had hoped that might have been the theme throughout the last fraught three years, but it seems that point scoring, party politics and childish stupidity well mixed with a lot of unsubstantiated scare mongering has been the downfall of this egotistical self seeking bunch that we have to endure.

What a MESS, I, like many others am fed up with Brexit and the implications it brings with it, two years have passed and nothing has been acheived.Would an extension give anything? I dont thinks so just a little more time to confuse people.
I sometimes wish Brexit would disappear and we stay in the flipping EU, I am an ex pat and dread what is going to happen, and I dont even live in the UK but will obviously be affected by the outcome.I am a Brit living in an EU country,I dont know where we stand, I have not got dual Nationality,maybe its time to apply!

Well, Aniebach, had the Labour party remained in power we would certainly not have had this Brexit crisis which is causing more division and damage within this nation than any other issue has done in modern history.
I'm not sure about that Grandad, if we look at history then the Labour party promised a referendum on the EU in more than one manifesto.

IF we'd been given clear information in order to make a choice , we could have made a sensible decision . we weren't given clear information because our politicians hadn't thought out what they would do if we voted leave ,because they don't WANT to leave , too many have fingers in the European parliament pie . google how many (of all parties ) have well paid positions , including ex PMs , of course they don't want to leave .

Then we would still be in the same dreadful position that we are in now.

It would be important to prevent the lies, cheating and foreign interference that helped to get that narrow victory.

I don't pretend to know how that could be done but we would have to hope that fewer people were fooled than happened in 2016.

nannie dont go stay it is free speech...

I adore it here

WTO here we go

Should /if ? there be a second referendum, the result being as in 2016 which was undeniably in favour of LEAVE , what then.?

We are all allowed to have our own opinion believe it or not!We still have free speech in our country or so we are led to believe.I voted to leave as did everyone I know ,the area I live in voted overwhelmingly to leave but obviously Gransnet it mostly people who voted to Remain so I shall take my leave of you all.

Andy’s comments are no more inane that those who can’t keep to the point and interject puerile one liners.

It clearly said on the ballot paper ‘stay in the European Union or Leave the European Union’ .....
nothin at all about leave with a ‘crap’deal cobbled together by May & the EU!!!

Because of the unique relationship between Britain and Ireland, the only way that the UK could leave the EU without breaking international law by endangering the Good Friday agreement, would be if the UK and ROI both left the EU at the same time.

There would still be terrible damage done to both economies and to a lesser extent to the remaining EU countries.

Fortunately the vast majority of Irish people, and, I believe, a majority of British people want their countries to remain in the EU.

The problem is in the process for leaving. Never imagining a country could/would leave the 'how' was not seriously planned for. A country cannot fairly leave the European Union without negotiating the future of other relations AT THE SAME TIME - which I understand is specifically ruled out. No I don't have a solution.

Leave campaigner Daniel Hannan said quite clearly during the campaign "Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market"

not scarey....lol

just excited to leave evil EU, and prosper

vote irrelevant as non binding. I like to understand simple concepts

I agree okimherenow, but the UK is still an EU member state and if we don't leave the EU we need not apply to return.

If the brexit nonsense is not stopped we would only be able to rejoin on far less advantageous terms than the ones we have - not in the euro, nor in Schengen and benefiting from a rebate, so let's just agree to stay.

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I am a remainer, but even I got the idea that brexit would mean breaking out of the customs union and going onto WTO rules. I don't know why the politicians seem so convinced that all the brexit voters were against no deal.

I want Article 50 revoked and us return to being members of the EU ...
and the sooner the better...

wto is perfectly great . no problems

out we go, right out

UK cannot simply trade on WTO terms after no-deal Brexit, say experts

The UK will be unable to have frictionless, tariff-free trade under World Trade Organization rules for up to seven years in the event of a no-deal Brexit, according to two leading European Union law specialists.

The ensuing chaos could double food prices and plunge Britain into a recession that could last up to 30 years, claim the lawyers who acted for Gina Miller in the historic case that forced the government to seek parliament’s approval to leave the EU.

It has been claimed that the UK could simply move to WTO terms if there is no deal with the EU. But Anneli Howard, a specialist in EU and competition law at Monckton Chambers and a member of the bar’s Brexit working group, believes this isn’t true.

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“No deal means leaving with nothing,” she said. “The anticipated recession will be worse than the 1930s, let alone 2008. It is impossible to say how long it would go on for. Some economists say 10 years, others say the effects could be felt for 20 or even 30 years: even ardent Brexiters agree it could be decades.”

The government’s own statistics have estimated that under the worst case no-deal scenario, GDP would be 10.7% lower than if the UK stays in the EU, in 15 years.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/27/uk-cannot-simply-trade-on-wto-terms-after-no-deal-brexit-say-experts

The majority of countries in the world trade under WTO regulations so - shock, horror- it isn't a new idea or a cliff edge and the system works perfectly well. When we first joined the Common Market, prices increased but no one said that we crashed in!!!

Ken Clark was on tv this morning saying it could take at least 4 years to negotiate a trade deal with the EU and that would happen under Mrs May's transitional period if it's eventually voted for. That's ridiculous as the UK already follows all the rules and regulations the EU decides. The EU, out of spite, because a nation dares to want its independence is determined to try and make us fail in the future and want to keep us in their clutches for as long as possible. It's all about wanting our contributions to continue ad finitum, so they can waste most of it on vanity projects and EU salaries and pensions.

agree nannie good post thank you