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Misreading the country?

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Jane10 Wed 13-Mar-19 07:01:27

It seems to me from talking to others and just listening in on conversations on buses and in shops etc that there is an overwhelming feeling that Westminster should just get on with it! This isn't a brexit/remainer thread. It's just expressing concern that Westminster is in its own little mixed up bubble and is just ignoring the people they're supposed to represent ie the great British public.

Nanniejc1 Thu 14-Mar-19 10:39:11

Definitely WTO!!

Nanniejc1 Thu 14-Mar-19 10:38:00

Well it’s about time the Conservatives did what they promised in their manifesto.We did vote to leave the EU & it was a majority wheather it was large or small.....a majority is a majority.I somehow think that lots of the Mp’s will lose their jobs because many are in areas that voted to leave so they are going against the will of their constituents.I personally feel that we have been betrayed by our government & think many people feel the same.

Anniebach Thu 14-Mar-19 10:36:52

With Corbyn/Momentum/Unite in power !

andycameron69 Thu 14-Mar-19 10:36:24

all will be fine

WTO out we go

no problem, fabulous prosperity

and well Labour are not in power

Grandad1943 Thu 14-Mar-19 10:33:58

Well, Aniebach, had the Labour party remained in power we would certainly not have had this Brexit crisis which is causing more division and damage within this nation than any other issue has done in modern history.

The economic damage is as yet unknown.

Anniebach Thu 14-Mar-19 10:21:50

9 years since the last labour government, the wilderness years comes to mind

andycameron69 Thu 14-Mar-19 10:18:26

out we go

legally wto no deal to leave

how fabulous.

it is the law
grin

good times

Jalima1108 Thu 14-Mar-19 10:13:40

The Labour party are not the party of government and has not been since 2010.

And why would that be, I wonder?
Could it have anything to do with various leaders or the fact that they have been taken over by an unelected group of people the motives of which makes many suspicious?

When they get back on track with new people at the top they will win again.

Cindersdad Thu 14-Mar-19 10:04:30

Misreading and Misleading the country, like many of you I'm totally confused. As regards Brexit we know that leaving the EU is likely to be harmful to the economy. Few of us whichever way we voted in 2016 can honestly say we really understood what we were voting for.

Since then we learnt a lot more now understand it better. Brits living in the EU were denied a vote despite being more affected than most. That cannot have been right.

Of the 44 million who were eligible to vote, only 17 million voted to leave, 15 millions to remain and 11 million did not vote for many reasons. Both Vote Leave the Remain in the EU were economical with the truth. Project fear has been shown to be less untruthful than leave.eu. There is overwhelming evidence of both criminality and foreign interference in the referendum.

The Government has done its utmost to bully, bribe to force its will on parliament. A hard Brexit is too damaging and the soft one being put forward is not what was voted for.

The makeup of the electorate has changed since 2016. About 2 million mainly older voters have passed away and about the same of young voter are now able to vote. In the colder light of a foggy the result of a People's Vote could well be very different. If Brexit is so good why is James dyson moving to Singapore, Nigel Farage applying for a German passport, Honda closing down and Jacob Rees Mogg moving part of his business to Dublin.

We need another referendum to choose between TM's deal and remain in the EU, that result to be binding.

Anniebach Thu 14-Mar-19 09:53:59

He has changed his mind again Anja ?

Grandad1943 Thu 14-Mar-19 09:43:03

How many times has it got to pointed out to some? The Labour party are not the party of government and has not been since 2010.

It was David Cameron that went to the palace in 2014 and accepted the Queen's invitation to form a government. Theresa May then accepted the same invitation in 2016 and again in 2017. Therefore all the problems of Brexit and much else are entirely the makings of the Conservative party. No other party has been involved just the Tory party.

However, we now seem to have within this government cabinet ministers who do not believe in "collective responsibility" and just wish to purvey their own self serving agenda, but at the same time keep their ministerial salaries.

What a shambles of a government.

Anja Thu 14-Mar-19 09:35:35

Yes I read that Annie and it is not the case anymore.

1inamillion Thu 14-Mar-19 09:18:20

Urmstongran - as witty as ever and sums up the situation perfectly.

Anniebach Thu 14-Mar-19 09:08:33

Urmstongran summed it up perfectly

Urmstongran Thu 14-Mar-19 09:07:32

May is now a leader in name only. Lino.

The rest of the party have certainly walked all over her!

Urmstongran Thu 14-Mar-19 08:59:50

Such a mess. This cabinet has been put together by someone who bought it at IKEA, but has instructions from B&Q, and tried to buy their Allen keys at Screwfix but failed because they're called hex keys there...

Anniebach Thu 14-Mar-19 08:52:27

Anja I did not say the party wants out, I said the leader wants out.

Anja Thu 14-Mar-19 08:49:21

That doesn’t exclude a cross-party working group on Brexit Annie. I think you will find the Party does not support out, and has put together a feasible set of condition for an acceptable deal.

The fact remains that Labour has called for cross-party cooperation and this has been denied. Thus we find ourselves in this untenable position.

No matter how much you dislike Corbyn he has been open to cooperation where May has not.,

Anniebach Thu 14-Mar-19 08:44:30

The opposition are divided too , many labour MP’s want a people’s vote, the leader doesn’t . Many labour MP’s want remain the leader wants out.

Greta8 Thu 14-Mar-19 08:42:37

It's an absolute disaster. Unless we get a deal of some sort we will all be worse off - and that's before the Tories start trashing worker's rights - for those who are lucky enough to still be in work!!!

Anja Thu 14-Mar-19 08:40:25

jura the opposition has been calling for a cross-party working group for a long time, but they cannot force this to happen.

Anja Thu 14-Mar-19 08:38:45

This could all have been avoided when she lost her majority at the last GE and put the good of the nation ahead of party politics.

Too late now I fear unless this incompetent will heed the call from Labour to look for a cross-party solution.

jura2 Thu 14-Mar-19 08:37:30

Maizie, competent opposition too.

andycameron69 Thu 14-Mar-19 08:37:01

great opportunity,
leaving on WTO terms, the best for our beloved UK

grin
party

megan123 Thu 14-Mar-19 08:29:53

What a disaster it all is!