Misreading the country?

Just competent leadership would do me fine.

I am all excited, as we will leave no deal..on wto. as that vote last night means nothing legally.

Just a vote

so in law, no deal is the way we leave. how fabulous I say

Who can give inspirational and visionary leadership?

Even the most sycophantic of May fans must realise she is weak and dithering, just at a time when we need inspirational and visionary leadership. Doesn’t seem like we are going to get that anytime soon as she clings on trying to unite her party and to hell with any other problems in the country.

After yesterday’s fiasco I think something must give.

Hammond’s very public advocacy of a wholly different Brexit route, delivered with May glowering stony-faced and silent on the benches behind him, showed the shift that was taking place in the government, in the Tory party and in parliament. It seemed to indicate that the national interest matters more than the party interest, because an agreed Brexit deal that passes is a higher priority than May’s deal, which has now been twice defeated. It therefore has to imply that Hammond thinks that May may have to go.

Theresa May deliberately lying? Never!

Theresa May is both vain and deluded. Today she made reference to her croaky voice problem, saying shew had trouble speaking, but she could speak for the country. She cannot. She has absolutely no idea what "people" think or want, or if she has she is lying about it.

She should not be allowed to get away with asserting time and time again that "people want her to deliver brexit". Most British people want brexit stopped.

She should know this because the evidence has been there for a long time, so we must assume she is deliberately lying. Our media, especially the BBC, are letting us all down. She should not be allowed to get away with it.

Indeed- and there are several parties inside parties- and totally disagreeing in the way forward. If we had one Party for a clear formula, and another one clearly in opposition - we would get 'decisiveness' - but as the 2 major parties are totally divided and in opposition to themselves - where next?

Or as currently is the case - party first and last, ignoring everything else!

It’s the governments job to do first what’s best for the country then secondly for the constituency.

The local elections are for the area we live in

We all know you're a remainer jura! By decisiveness I mean exactly that. Come down on one side or another and deal with the consequences thereafter. Most likely problems whatever happens but its better than the current situation.

The Labour Party are not in power with regards Brexit they don’t have to do anything.

Yvette Cooper at the time of the Brexit vote begged their to be a cross party approach to negotiations and she was ignored.

In the middle of this hell show the Labour Party would be stupid to get involved.

Or as Adonis says very well:

www.facebook.com/LordAndrewAdonis/videos/2227798357537763/

What decisiveness can we have that solves the Irish border Jane10?

Andy, talking about the above- Dominic Grieve explained well today, how our Commitment to the Good Friday agreement- makes leaving with No Deal- ILLEGAL.

Hammond has just called for cross party consensus on the compromise deal!!
Which government post do you want Jane10?

Something puzzles me that maybe Leave grans can help with, since we hear that the implications were well understood. What did you understand would be the position re the Irish border? How did that unravel like this?

There is a select committee called Exiting the EU with cross party membership but I guess it’s remit isn’t sufficient - what was needed was a coalition cabinet but sadly that boat has long sailed

If TM stays, which does seem extraordinary, I think she should remind the country that the referendum was advisory, remind leavers that their margin of victory was tiny and the voices of remain voters must be listened to, and remind remainers that the leave vote was first past the post and the wishes of those voters must be given full weight. Then as has been said by many, set up a true cross party working group, on which she has no seat herself, to report conclusively within 9 months. Something like that, but certainly dial down the Leave expectations of having everything their own way.

Perhaps if this country had a written constitution these problems with the referendum would not have arisen. We need some checks and balances when we have an incompetent government.

Countries which have better referenda have a Referendum in which the % is measured from the whole population of voting age. And of that number 60% must have voted to win.
According to this the Referendum which started this whole miserable situation would not have got off the ground.

It is Cameron's fault!

Not only the Uk will suffer but many EU countries will also suffer and they have long memories. The UK's good name has been damaged.

Another point - MPs can vote (at least) twice on TM's deal, but it is somehow undemocratic to have a second referendum?

Gosh yes Wobbles. This is a national emergency. There should be cross party liaison for the good of the country. I remember that coming up on these forums months ago!
Us Grans should be in power!

A question which keeps going round in mind is - Westminster has numerous Cross Party committees. Why wasn't one set up to deal with Brexit and its issues to decide what is best for the Country as a proper committee would.

thank you

Andy ,you really need to take your medication !!