Misreading the country?

well I am pleased the majority of voters voted leave in our democratic country, That will be respected and carried out.

On we go to WTO deal, the only true Brexit that was voted for.

Exciting good times coming as we flourish

I now understand why Theresa May called that general election. It was an attempt to get her party to agree within itself. That backfired. She obviously could see this ridiculous impasse happening and the GE was an attempt to avert it.
I'm so cross now that there's a good chance I'd vote brexit if given the opportunity again which I sincerely hope I won't be - another referendum would result in another dogs breakfast.
I want to see some decisiveness.

mcem. Oh so right. Nice to hear some intelligent responses from people like you

I’ve never known anything that divided the country as much is this in my life time ! David Cameron should be shot , after the Tory party of course , as it’s always been about an internal EU problem with them . When we get to stay , and we will , let’s hope this is put to bed for good ! Jacob Rees Mogg can then Bring his millions back from the Safehaven he moved them to. As if !

maryeliza54. Exactly. You summed it up perfectly Cant see why leavers can’t see this !!

lazygirl. Hear hear something that leavers tend to forget all the time !!!!

Theresa May misread the country when she called the last election and slashed her majority. Because of that she has sold her soul to the DUP.

She has spent more time talking with the DUP than any of the other parties, which cannot be right.

After that disastrous result in the election, she ought to have called for cross-party talks, for the good of the country. Then at least a deal could have been worled out that all but the hard-line Brexiteers could have supported.

I was talking about the option to stay in the Customs Union with a ‘leaver’ at the weekend and he seemed to have this all muddled up with the Single Market. Labour would support a deal that included a Customs Union.

It seems that TM is a singularly stubborn woman who confuses ‘strong leadership’ with pigheadedness and the ‘good of the country’ with the ‘good of the Conservative Party’.

bellacaledonia.org.uk/2019/03/12/everything-has-changed/?fbclid=IwAR0QlSxAj_aPTO7Z-jtNczVJzBPcJ_qLhjsTABO0ZRxbUj25yGFRvCYTE6o

This from my Facebook feed this am.

Another take on the situation which resonates with around 50% of those living in Scotland.

Dominic Grieve understands this totally.

www.facebook.com/777832385/videos/10157278128582386/

The basic difficulty:

There is no majority, according to polls and parliamentary doings, either in Parliament or the country at large, for any of the three options on the table. (By majority I mean a 51, 52% of those polled)

There is no majority for no deal.

There is no majority for the withdrawal agreement.

There is no majority for remain.

The process is completely deadlocked because at this point there is nothing that can get 'just enough' support behind it.

The Malthouse compromise is a non starter because fundamentally, the discussion keeps losing sight of the fact this is a negotiation. A negotiation between the UK and the EU27 in which the EU27 have said as clearly as possible for some time now that the Malthouse plan is not acceptable to them. It is a non starter. Parliament voting for something that the 27 will not agree to is pointless.

Malthouse relies on a 'technological solution(s)' that no one at all, within government or outwith it, is able to identify. If there was a comprehensive or near comprehensive suite of technologies that would solve the problem of a hard border, we would be aware of it by now. Number plate recognition alone is not going to cut it.

The basic difficulty is that none of the options on the table are considered acceptable to a majority of the polity.

This is a deadlock that no one at present appears willing or able to articulate a method of breaking, and without being able to break it, the status quo as presently enshrined in UK legislation is that we will exit the EU with no trade agreement on 29 March. This is what will happen if nothing changes; this was already enacted and at this point, there is no Bill to take that off the table.

jura and "humpty* I agree.
Yvette Cooper shows an element of sense but unfortunately won't replace JC.
Even if in the next GE, Scots were to return SNP to every seat in Scotland, our voice would still be ignored.
Forgive me for being a little sceptical about the principles of democracy.
Statements saying that a 2nd brexit referendum would jeopardise the trust of the electorate are laughable.
After this dishonest fiasco, does anyone in their right mind still have a shred of belief or faith in Westminster or the FPTP system?

And forgot to say, again- that Referendums are by our OWN Sovereign LAWS - advisory. Cameron had to right to announce it as binding- and by-pass OUR Laws in doing so.

I completely agree, jura, along with rulas as to minimum turnout and minimum margin in results.

JC needs to give way to someone who can explain all this clearly - and then put it back to the people asap.

Exactly varian. And I heard on the BBC this morning that even if leaving with no deal is voted down today, it could still happen in the future!

Jane10, with respect and I do mean that

'It's a democracy. The majority, for whatever reason, voted for Brexit. '

A 'democracy' is such a vague term- and can mean 100s of different things around the world. I was raised and now live again in a 'Direct Democracy' after living all my adult time in a 'Parliamentary Democracy with FPP system and an unelected Chamber' - a massive and vast difference.

I agree 200% with Maizie- the decision has to go back to the people as the only way out of this impasse, and we cannot let the EDL and BF, Tony Robinson, and even Farage- from threatening us into 'submission'.

You know as well as I do, that the minority was very small- and that in Scotland it was a good majority against. And that would perhaps be fair enough.

But we now know the possible consequences and we now know that the promises made are undelivrable - that we cannot cherry pick and have cake and eat it- that the Irish border has NO solution that would not threaten peace. We know that their promises that jobs would not be lost, is turning into a nightmare for industry and agriculture. Etc, etc.

And we also now have proof that massive and blatant lies were told, for the darkest of reasons, that clear fraud took place, foreign interference, illegal and hidden targetting of specific groups, dodgy money- all for the darkest of reasons- to make a few very rich people massively richer- and because both Trump and Putin want a weak Europe for their own designs. We now know that Trump and others will only give us deals if we agree to abide by their poor and dangerous standards- to break our competition- and want to put their grubby hands on the NHS.

If that is 'Democracy' then ?!?!?

What can we agree? Almost everyone agrees it is a shambles. Most people "just want it over with". However many think that leaving would mean it would all be over and we'd hear no more about it. Some even think that "no deal" means we'd be out, save money and control immigration, but otherwise everything would carry on as usual.

It must be explained to everyone that if we were to leave, on 29 March or at any other time, far from brexit being over, it would only jusg be beginning and the appalling waste of time and money would go on and on and on for the rest of our lives.

I think a 2nd ref should precede a GE because I agree about maizies comment about the muddied waters of a GE.
This morning I finally heard 2 politicians who made sense. (As a non-Tory) I think Ken Clarke and Michael Heseltine are right.
Clarke said what I want to hear - that this such a momentous decision that it has to be given as much time as is needed to reach a conclusion that safeguards the younger generations.
Yes, I 'm fed up of the chaos but am not ready to stomp off in a puerile tantrum and jeopardise the future of my DGC. These more experienced and, dare I say, respected politicians are for remaining.
In a general election, raising my pension would be far from first thing on my agenda!

Because the purpose of HM's Opposition is to OPPOSE and try to defeat the government. Because Brexit is just one of the almighty messes this government has landed this country in. Because people with disabilities are dying when their benefits are axed. Because the prison service is an absolute mess. Because more people are using foodbanks. Because more people are on zero hours contracts. Because knife crime is increasing and there are not enough police or support services dealing with it. How many reasons do you need?
Because unless you have real alternatives on the ballot paper a People's Vote will not solve anything.

Jabberwock exactly!
Saying ‘give this to the people to decide on’ merely means that they, the politicians can’t or won’t do it.Marvellous eh?

Taking no deal off the table in Parliament doesn’t mean much, except to announce that the majority In HOC don’t like it...the default legal position is that we do leave without a deal ( if there isn’t one.)
Even if the EU say we can have an extension, what for? To continue the in-fighting?

I wish people would desist from referring to the majority of people voting for Brexit: the majority of people who voted voted for Brexit. Nearly 13 million people who were eligible didn't vote at all, and obviously no-one knows which way they would have voted if they had done so. The percentage of people who voted to leave, out of all people eligible to vote, is only 37%.

Then why not a call for a people’s vote not another no confidence, the DUP will not go with Corbyn who wants a United Ireland

There was vote of no confidence some time ago Annie which was defeated because the DUP support the Conservatives 325 against, 306 for. As I said the Labour Party can't call a GE. Another vote of NC will probably go the same way. But having failed to deliver what she promised she would, the honourable thing would be for TM to resign and for the government to announce a GE.
I don't think there is another instance where a party have clung so desperately to power

If politicians cannot agree on what is best for this country, how on earth can we the general public be expected to? One minute we're labelled as uneducated, without a brain cell between us, homophobic, etc etc, the next we could be seriously asked how best to get this country out of this appalling mess. Well, if YOU don't know, then whatever makes you think that Joe Soap public does?!!! Passing the buck?!!!! then any catastrophe could be placed firmly at the publics door and, of course, nothing to do with politicians!!!
A general election? Well, our MP is a brexiteer who voted for Mrs Mays deal,so he would get my vote. Dominic Grieve would not!

Seems many Labour Party members feel let down , Corbyn didn’t mention a people’s vote yesterday