Misreading the country?

Lets just hope that the deal goes through. It is a compromise which is as it should be. No one can get exactly what they want, but everyone gets something and I think most right minded people would settle for that and be prepared to move on and make peace with ourselves again. The thought of this particular saga dragging on for another goodness knows how long is, I'm sure for most us us ,more than body and soul can bear!!!! So fingers crossed!!

It seems the DUP might support TM’s deal in the vote on Tuesday - in exchange for a seat at the negotiating table in the future. Ollie Robbins won’t be getting all his own way then, that’s for sure!

andy ^the fact is
the majority of those who voted

voted leave.^
Unfortunately they all envisaged a different sort of 'leave' . Whereas the 48% who voted remain were united.
Grandad1943 didn't the DUP vote against the deal because they didn't consider it acceptable? How then would it solve the N Ireland problem? Much as I dislike the DUP they do represent a body of people in NI and people who have in the past been responsible for violence.

Perhaps just becoming aware of it and not be in denial would be helpful.

But I agree- it is the Labour Party mainly, who should have insisted this is investigated properly right from the start- and who should have made it public that investigations where being thwarted or even stopped, by the Government.

At this stage however, the Labour Party could put together a very very strong and convincing dossier together - highlighting all those issues - publishing them and also the fact that the Electoral Commission have said the Ref should be voided due to above - but can't as it was, by Law, advisory.

Which makes a total mockery of Democracy.

In the meantime, Mrs Maa wants a THIRD vote, and probably a FOURTH. Did you read Peston's prediction- that ERG and DUP are likely to vote for the Deal this time- it will still not pass but the numbers against will be further diminished - enbolding Mrs May to go for a fourth at the last minute- which ERG and possibly DUP would go against again - throwing us into No Deal at the very last minute...

Scary times- and all daggers out.

Again, what can I do about it?

You could try to appear to be a bit embarrassed by your association with corrupt practices.

the fact is
the majority of those who voted

voted leave..
jolly simple

remain lost

leave won..

easy to understand?

giggling

Again, what can I do about it? Getting het up won’t make an iota of difference now will it? The powers that be aren’t investigating the wrong doing you describe. Have you contacted your MP and asked him/her view on it all? It’s futile mentioning it here really.

what rules Ursmstongran?

Rules on fraud? Rules on foreign interference and dodgy money from abroad. Rules on declaring offices and staff working on a campaign rather than the business? Laws re Referendums being advisory? Our Parliamentary Democracy?

I hope so too, this deal is on the table for us to take, and move on to the next negotiating stage for a trade deal.
Parliament needs to accept it asap!

Sorry varian but rules is rules.
What else can we say?

And yet again the majority of the British people who want to remain in the EU would be ignored??

I've missed a few pages - if this is the same deal we were talking about yesterday pm I hope so too.

I have also moved from a no deal to TM’s deal Grandad43 and you have moved from Remain to her deal. So we have reached a compromise. There may be hope for us all yet!
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I hope her deal gets through next Tuesday.
We can but hope.

PamelaJ Quote [1s it a bad week for the leavers grandad? You may be right.
Such a shame that our hopes are pinned on the E.U.? Our parliament has made a bit of a balls up of it. On that we agree.
However we and Mrs May will prevail we hope.] End Quote.

PamelaJ, as I have stated earlier in this thread, I am someone who voted remain in the Referendum. However, in the last two weeks, I have come round to wishing to see Theresa May's deal being passed by the House of Commons. In that, it would solve the Irish border issue, secure continued frictionless trade through the ports and allow British Business to have at least some certainty to plan for the future.

The withdrawal agreement is in no way perfect, but it will take Britain out of the European Union as was the wish demonstrated by the referendum while containing all the above in the interests of the UK.

I feel that in the last few days there has been a gain in support for Theresa Mays withdraw agreement from both those on the leave and remain sides. After all, there is no other deal on the table as Parliament voted down all other options that have been put forward

So, I believe we are in agreement PamelaJ, and perhaps with many more engaging in pragmatic thinking the UK will again begin to move forward and heal the deep divides that Brexit has opened up.

glad to see all you happy well balanced people are out, here being kind and having a great time.

Harmony I see in all the posters, I feel all warm and fuzzy..Thank you for welcoming me

a great balanced forum not dominated by anyone

Why aren't Leavers jumping up and down at the prospect of being able to win a second (honest) referendum, proving their point and gloating?
Could there be just a glimmer of doubt? Does the prospect of losing even exist on planet brexit? Or in a.c. world?
I don't care if it takes longer. I care more about a sensible deal.
Never mind, in a few years it probably won't concern us Scots.
Bear in mind we've been reasonably patient for a lot longer than we've endured the brexit fiasco.
Sensible folk welcome to join us in the north!

Don't tell me the referendum wasn't democratic. Its seen as democratic , that's why it happened. And everyone campaigned. Remainers didn't campaign against having a referendum at the time. Never forget that. They followed the law , and campaigned to remain. And lost.

They have to live with that or risk destroying democracy 'for the greater good.' Which means to help the capitalist system remain intact forever. I prefer a poor representative democracy full of idiots than no democracy at all run by people you or I happen to agree with.

The government has indeed "implemented the last one" . For almost three years they have been treating the result of that referendum as an instruction, whereas it was, in law, only advice.

They have done everything possible to find a way of delivering the unreal undeliverable promises of the cake-and-eat-it leave campaigners and to try to square the circle of the Irish border.

They have now proved conclusively that it cannot be done. Any brexit would harm the country, make us all (or nearly all) poorer, endanger our security and reduce us to a third-rate nation scrabbling around the world for trading partners who might allow us to trade on their terms. We've all had enough of that implementation.

In your dreams varian we’ve not even implemented the last one yet.

If the brexiters believe in the ballot box, no doubt they are all looking forward to the chance to vote again.

I'm a dedicated Leaver but it is obvious marches and demonstrations achieve nothing. There are scores of marches through London every year. The rascals in government and Parliament just ignore them. Marches and demonstrations achieve nothing and are forgotten in days.

Brexiteers believe in the ballot box, not pointless demonstrations.

oh wow lol, how wrong you are andy, how wrong ;)

hi lemon and urmston, always good to see your uplifting posts

its friday yay

I wonder if, and when, this is all over will we all be able to reconcile? The anger and the feeling of betrayal on both sides appears to run very deep. We still have the future relationship to negotiate/decide and I think that will be even more divisive.

Remainer or leaver, before the referendum most people trundled along quite nicely regarding the EU. Now, who knows? Will it be the promised land? We will see.

Is it a bad week for the leavers grandad? You may be right.
Such a shame that our hopes are pinned on the E.U.? Our parliament has made a bit of a balls up of it. On that we agree.
However we and Mrs May will prevail we hope.