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Misreading the country?

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Jane10 Wed 13-Mar-19 07:01:27

It seems to me from talking to others and just listening in on conversations on buses and in shops etc that there is an overwhelming feeling that Westminster should just get on with it! This isn't a brexit/remainer thread. It's just expressing concern that Westminster is in its own little mixed up bubble and is just ignoring the people they're supposed to represent ie the great British public.

Urmstongran Sat 16-Mar-19 16:14:59

I don’t think Leave is at all endangered MaizieD and besides, it’s raining ☔️ so why turn out!

trisher Sat 16-Mar-19 15:34:44

Which goes to show that the referendum result was totally flawed because the leave voters were all voting for different things.

lemongrove Sat 16-Mar-19 14:08:30

Probably because most Leavers aren’t enamoured of Nigel Farage and UKIP.
Nor are most only interested in a no deal either.

MaizieD Sat 16-Mar-19 12:14:55

I realise that there is no comparison between the two marches but had there been a huge appetite for a Leave that looks quite endangered ATM I'd've expected a few more than 200 people to have turned up for a big gesture on the first day of Farage's pseudo march...

lemongrove Sat 16-Mar-19 12:05:57

......but they won’t be walking either varian FGS.

Most people who voted Leave won’t be ‘marching’ anywhere, we have no need to.
It’s not a contest you know.

varian Sat 16-Mar-19 12:03:16

It is clear that Farage has no intention of walking 200 miles, in fact it does not look like any of his sorry band will. They'll be bussing it for some of the way. This is a fake grass-roots march, funded by the ultra-rich brexit elite.

We will see how many people feel about brexit in London on March 23rd.

lemongrove Sat 16-Mar-19 11:54:05

varian.....unless the Remainer march on the 23rd propose to walk 200 miles there is no point comparing numbers..All they have to do is take a bus or car or train to central London.
I have no time for Nigel Farage but do understand how many people feel about Brexit.

varian Sat 16-Mar-19 11:45:21

Brexiters lobby for European veto of article 50 extension

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/13/brexiters-lobby-for-european-veto-of-article-50-extension

Grandad1943 Sat 16-Mar-19 11:35:51

Marks the end of a very bad week I feel for the leavers. It would now seem they are reliant on the European Union not agreeing to an extension of artical 50 if there is to be any chance of the UK withdrawing from membership of the EU on the 29th of March.

There is quite some irony in the above I feel when those that wish to leave the European Union become reliant on the EU to assist their cause.confused

varian Sat 16-Mar-19 11:19:37

Nigel Farage says he will not be completing the 200-mile Brexit Betrayal march from North East England to Westminster despite asking supporters to join him.

Launching the event last month, the former UKIP leader tweeted: "We're marching from Sunderland to London... get your walking boots on!", but now admits he will walk only "some of it."

Mr Farage, an MEP, said the event was to show "the political class" that voters will not put up with a delayed Brexit.

The march set off from Sunderland, with Mr Farage leading it amid chaotic scenes.

news.sky.com/story/nigel-farage-will-not-complete-brexit-betrayal-march-despite-urging-supporters-to-join-him-11666858

It will be interesting to see how the numbers on this march compare with the numbers on the next People's Vote march on Saturday 23rd March.

MaizieD Sat 16-Mar-19 11:17:02

But he climbed straight back into the bus once the march had started, petra. And has said he has no intention of doing the whole thing.

twitter.com/northnews/status/1106863830439809024

Mind you, I have doubts about most of this morning;s starters actually finishing the day. 20 miles is a very long way for inexperienced walkers.

news.sky.com/story/nigel-farage-will-not-complete-brexit-betrayal-march-despite-urging-supporters-to-join-him-11666858

petra Sat 16-Mar-19 10:56:27

jura2
Well, if he didn't turn up he's got an excellent stunt double as there are pictures of him starting the march.

jura2 Sat 16-Mar-19 10:30:48

And is this true- Farage has not turned up either ?!? wow

jura2 Sat 16-Mar-19 10:27:22

I know, I know - and yet- had a good laugh today watching the massive band of marchers following Farage- only 350 (NOT million) signed up for his epic walk- and a lot less actually turned up. Somehow momentarily cheered me up no end.

mcem Sat 16-Mar-19 09:40:22

And today we hear that Grayling as transport .minister has lost many millions more!
Utterly farcical!

Grandad1943 Sat 16-Mar-19 09:27:10

I Believe that Theresa May called the 2017 General Election as Tory party thought they would "wipe out" the Labour party at the polls. They had good grounds for that thinking as the Conservative party had a twenty point lead in the opinion polls at that time.

However, in a campaign centred around Jeremy Corbyn, he turned out to be very good at the very many informal public meetings that were held, while the Tory campaign focused on very formal workplace meetings where all the staff had been sent home and invited party members attended.

In the above, May lost her majority in the House of Commons allowing the extreme right wing of the party to gain control. Hence the problems the country faces now.

jura2 Sat 16-Mar-19 09:20:39

So, independence they said- and now, the DUP is again being heavily bribed and we are all beholden to them.
How can that be right?

And of course Trump and others, seeing how desperate we are, will make demands upon us which will totally destroy this elusive and fictitious 'independence' and make us squirm to get any measly deal they might offer. Great.

Bridgeit Sat 16-Mar-19 08:18:40

When I read Andy’s post’s I get the feeling he is a youngish person.

ReadyMeals Sat 16-Mar-19 08:14:59

In fact you can become a parent even if you're not fertile. Even the fertility requirement is an assumption

ReadyMeals Sat 16-Mar-19 08:12:48

janipat would you ask that of a heterosexual person? I assume everyone here is a grandparent unless they state otherwise. Most gay people are perfectly fertile and many choose to be parents. If you think for 5 minutes you will almost certainly be able to list many ways in which andycameron could have become a grandparent - like you could for all of us.

janipat Sat 16-Mar-19 02:03:36

andycameron, you recently posted that you are gay, in a gay relationship. May I ask if you have children or grandchildren whose future could influence your stance on these important matters?

MaizieD Fri 15-Mar-19 23:31:36

It's an interesting theory, John, but I don't think so. Her actions all along have been those of a madwoman. Hoping to lose the GE seems too rational....

JohnD Fri 15-Mar-19 23:14:32

How many of you think that TM called the election in 2017 hoping she would lose, and then Brexit would no longer be her problem?

varian Fri 15-Mar-19 21:17:59

Granny23 as you know I have never been in favour of breaking up the UK but when the leave side narrowly won the EU referendum I did think that the SNP's case for independence would be strengthened because most Scots want to remain in the EU.

However, I now think that Scots will have seen the horrendous problems of the UK trying to unravel forty years of EU membership and realised that trying to break up a much longer union would be even more difficult, so I am not surprised that support for the SNP has not increased the way I first thought it would.

jura2 Fri 15-Mar-19 20:34:38

Funny typo Jane10.

But to be honest- all round, really?

Caroline Lucas says it as it is- she is 100% honest, true and sincere:

www.facebook.com/carolinelucas.page/videos/2109622245822431/