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Misreading the country?

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Jane10 Wed 13-Mar-19 07:01:27

It seems to me from talking to others and just listening in on conversations on buses and in shops etc that there is an overwhelming feeling that Westminster should just get on with it! This isn't a brexit/remainer thread. It's just expressing concern that Westminster is in its own little mixed up bubble and is just ignoring the people they're supposed to represent ie the great British public.

humptydumpty Fri 15-Mar-19 11:28:29

From varian
-She talks about the 17m who voted leave, but totally ignores the 49m who did not-

Completely agree, and I have to disagree with Grandad1943, TM's deal is not the only way now: we could get a year-long extension to Article 50, in order to have a 2nd referendum now that we are more aware of the issues / a GE / a cross-party group including major stakeholders to re-negotiate - at least 3 alternatives to TM's deal.

varian Fri 15-Mar-19 11:12:13

Theresa May may have voted Remain but she has been utterly blinkered in her approach to Brexit.

She talks about the 17m who voted leave, but totally ignores the 49m who did not, although she knows well that any kind of brexit would make all our lives worse.

She listens to the DUP whose brexit policy is opposed to the majority in NI, but never to any other parties. She makes concession after concession to the small gang of Tory bullies in the ERG whilst ignoring the more sensible wing of her party.

Most unforgiveably, she ignores 700,000 peaceful law-abiding PV marchers, whilst parroting the rhetoric of about 100 violent brexit thugs who attacked the police outside Parliament and threatened riots if they do not get their own way. Her repeated use of inflammatory language about "betraying the will of the people" causing civil unrest has been utterly shameful.

GabriellaG54 Fri 15-Mar-19 10:52:25

I realise that Mrs May is a remainer but I would imagine that her innate sense of fair play, her conscience and her faith, would have come to the fore.
I doubt that she's a woman to play games with or renege on the wishes of the majority who voted.

varian Fri 15-Mar-19 10:40:25

I agree with you Grandad that at this stage TM's deal is the best anyone is likely to get, but it is still nowhere near as good as the one we already have . Surely politics should be about making things better, not worse?

jura2 Fri 15-Mar-19 10:33:36

Listening to Mhairi right now - and thinking about Scotland Jane10. I have always been for the Union- and was totally against Scotland wanting Independence.

But seeing how Mrs May and Government have absolutely and totally ignored Scotland recently- and behaved as though they just do not exist- don't you think the result will be another push for independence, and that 1000s and 1000s of previous Unionists will say now is the time. And I really could not blame them.

Grandad1943 Fri 15-Mar-19 09:54:21

Apologies that should be Lemongroves post @ 08:39 and not the one Lemongrove made @ 08:35 above.

I did vote remain, but like many, I now believe that Mays deal is now the best that ANYONE is going to get whether they are leave or remain in their thinking.

Grandad1943 Fri 15-Mar-19 09:35:23

Agree with your post @ 8:35 today one hundred percent Lemongrove. I believe that many are now coming around to the same conclusion.

Mays deal is the only one on the table, and most importantly resolves the Irish border issue.

mcem Fri 15-Mar-19 09:28:42

And to hell with NI and fishing communities? (To name but 2 serious but unresolved issues).

lemongrove Fri 15-Mar-19 08:39:33

Parliament should get on and accept May’s deal now, there isn’t anything else (that’s sensible) to do.

lemongrove Fri 15-Mar-19 08:35:05

Maizie ......there is quite a bit of hot air from Remainers too.wink

andycameron69 Fri 15-Mar-19 08:16:52

oh I am relieved

Anja Fri 15-Mar-19 08:13:04

I am not of course denying you a right to express your opinions though ???

Anja Fri 15-Mar-19 08:12:05

And in your case quite apt!

andycameron69 Fri 15-Mar-19 07:52:49

how informative

Anja Fri 15-Mar-19 07:46:25

The quote ‘It’s better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt’ could have been written for Trump.

andycameron69 Fri 15-Mar-19 07:29:24

eu are bullies, out we go wto

MaizieD Fri 15-Mar-19 00:15:32

Leavers full of hot air but no idea how the negotiations could have been done differently or what they wanted them to achieve?

The EU always did hold all the cards, you know...

Urmstongran Thu 14-Mar-19 22:25:47

I thought that too GG54. but then, Mrs May is a Remainer so she wouldn’t be listening to Trump - he WOULD have got us out!

Urmstongran Thu 14-Mar-19 22:23:40

Well said Leavers on here. There are more of us than we realise on GN! I think many just ‘peep’ and don’t like to post.
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GabriellaG54 Thu 14-Mar-19 21:43:50

If the leave vote had been carried out properly (the will of the voting majority) and not hijacked by politicians, each with their own agenda, this fiasco wouldn't have happened.
The result should have been acted on by ALL members, regardless of their political persuasion.
As for Trump saying that Theresa May ignored his advice as to how she should negotiate...words are not enough angry

GabriellaG54 Thu 14-Mar-19 21:37:32

As if anyone hadn't guessed that AC is gay.
Obvs in the extreme.
All welcome on here.

lemongrove Thu 14-Mar-19 21:37:15

There’s nothing else to do really, is there?
It’s anyones guess what will actually happen.

jura2 Thu 14-Mar-19 21:35:47

hmmmmmmmmm yes, let's wait... and see

lemongrove Thu 14-Mar-19 21:26:14

MP’s voted down another referendum.The Government did quite well tonight.....surprisingly.
Looks like the EU will give us an extension until June if the present deal is accepted next week.
Just a waiting game now.

jura2 Thu 14-Mar-19 21:16:54

nope- just one will do- on the current situation, with consequences known, without the fraud and lies - simples.