Boris

Front page of Mondays DT - quote from Boris. WTAF?

The Boris lookalike we saw on the march did have the grace to apologise to us all on Boris's behalf. He was quite convincing until he did that. The real Boris would never apologise for anything.

I do not think anyone has said that leave voters are uneducated. What has been said is that on average their formal education stopped at a lower level than those of remainers. Not at all the same thing.

Nor is anyone making any judgements on either group as a result of that educational difference. Simply stating it is there. For all we know those who left school with fewer qualifications and voted leave are all auto-didacts, and far better informally educated than the majority of leave voters with their formal attainments.

I cannot understand why people cannot read facts for facts but have to immediately decide they are being judged or undermined or decorate the facts with lots of constructs that are irrelevant to the facts and not part of them.

I can't offer an opinion on the level of education of the average leave voter because I honestly don't know many. Most of my friends are remainers and tend to be teachers, doctors and scientists, with the occasional actor or painter.

There is a difference between the average for a group and any individual member of that same group. You do not need to have a double first in statistics, or even a GCSE in statistics to understand that.

My husband says yes Labaik, Boris did ... what a silly and irresponsible thing to do ..

Did it just say on the news that Johnson drove to Chequers today not wearing a seat belt? Obviously thinks he's above the law....

like what POGS? What names?

varian

" Yes, and folk like you and your well educated friends are at one end of the educational range of leave voters.

That does not negate the finding from many surveys that the average educational level of Leave voters was significantly lower that the average of Remain voters and there was an inverse correlation between educational attainment and the likelihood of voting Leave."
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Well does this negate anything?

I left school with no qualification accept RSA English and Typing and I voted Remain.

Does that put me in the Remaining intellectuals camp or the uneducated Leave camp?

The reason why a poster posted :-

" I got a double first from Cambridge and I voted leave" . Is because that poster was making the point that the Remain posters have stated ever since the Referendum result was announced the Leave voters were uneducated.

Not only has thread after thread on Brexit for almost 3 ruddy years seen Remain posters call Leave voters uneducated they throw in racist, xenophobic and a lot of them believe should also have their democratic right to vote taken away from them because they are old and are going to die anyway.

Uneducated, racist and xenophobic are polite terms compared to some of the name calling.

icanhandthemback posts " I rarely talk about my education but I did find myself putting forth the argument that I was substantially educated, as were many of my friends who voted to leave."

Yes, and folk like you and your well educated friends are at one end of the educational range of leave voters.

That does not negate the finding from many surveys that the average educational level of Leave voters was significantly lower that the average of Remain voters and there was an inverse correlation between educational attainment and the likelihood of voting Leave.

It is not the education or the age of the individual but the average attainment of everybody in a group that matters.

And whether we like it or not the average education level of those votingleave was lower that that of remainers.

That is not a value judgement it is statement of what a sum of the education level of people in one group is, including the members with PhDs

I have seen posts from Remainers who have tried to demonstrate that the Leavers were less well educated so I guess both sides are guilty of this in one way or another. I rarely talk about my education but I did find myself putting forth the argument that I was substantially educated, as were many of my friends who voted to leave.

indeed we have had numerous posts on GN saying things like "I got a double first from Cambridge and I voted leave
Well, I have not read all the threads but I've never seen that.

I have never ever heard anyone say, or post on GN or anywhere else that they were better educated because they voted remain. That would be nonsense. I have not even seen anyone claim that they voted remain because they were better educated.

However numerous studies after the 2016 referendum found a correlation between a low level of education and the likelihood of voting leave. I have never heard anyone suggest that all leave voters were poorly educated or stupid, indeed we have had numerous posts on GN saying things like "I got a double first from Cambridge and I voted leave" . That sort of person is part of the Leave voter group, but obviously not typical.

Who has ever said they were "more educated because they voted remain"?
If you trawl the threads, suzied you will find many posts to that effect..

Me - I have no axe to grind, being a Remainer but embarrassed by some of the comments made about those who voted Brexit

I have had many comments at me called thick stupid for voting leave. However being the dashing silly handsome devil that I am, and good natured, none of that bothers me, I rather find it entertaining!!!!!

must dash to open a beer

party time

wow love a cheeky sarcastic comment...what a scream

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Who has ever said they were "more educated because they voted remain"?
I think you may be misinterpreting demographic statistics.

varian

I think it is very telling that some posters on GN like to boast about their superior intellect with no attempt to even disguise it as sarcasm.

The copious threads and posts that have stated they are more educated because they voted Remain in the Referendum is on practically every ruddy Brexit related thread and even those that were never intended to be about Brexit but got hijacked.

Would I say ' I'm guessing that those who are so insecure as to make such boasts have achieved very little since.'?

No I just think they are arrogant.

ooh, nasty, varian!!

I think it is very telling that some posters on GN like to boast about their university education, as in attempts at sarcasm, like "so my university education didn't go to waste then" which prompts the reply "so you've had a university education? no-one would ever have guessed"

I'm guessing that those who are so insecure as to make such boasts have achieved very little since they graduated.

I agree that educational achievement may show one type of cleverness and common sense another.

Unfortunately the definition of common sense as used in the downmarket tabloids tends to be "folk that agree with us"

Maybe there is, as I was told by my mum, 'clever' and then there's common sense or 'nous' as it's sometimes called in Yorkshire. Boris and Dave both seem to be lacking in it.

Does getting a first make you clever? Call me Dave seems to have messed up rather badly.

He won a scholarship to Eton and then one to Oxford. He graduated with a 2/1 so he can't be stupid.
I did Latin too but don't quote it every day as I can't remember much of it - so I must be more stupid than Boris!

Then as Foreign Secretary he couldn't be bothered to read his briefs....
We all know those who did very little homework, very little revision but still managed to get good results - they think they can go through life getting away with it.
Somewhere in their future careers they will come unstuck.