Even Baldrick had a plan!

maddyone you are right. The horrible May deal is just what we voted for - half in, half out. We should all accept it but sadly it’s so horrible no one wants to.
Sometimes the reality is we just have to get on and make the best of what we have. It is probably the fairest to everyone, suits no one, and we just have to live with it.
And the other truth we may not all like is that we are a parliamentary democracy piscarii - and we have to live with that too.

Its almost 3 years since the toxic referendum, it was won by a small majority, H Wilson said "a week is a long time in politics", so by that measure 3 years is an eternity, things move on, people change, situations change, no one can say what the benefits of brexit are, or will be, only what they aren't. The advice given in the referendum by a minority of the population is not holy gospel, it was just that, a snapshot of the time. It should be put to the people again, in the light of greater knowledge and understanding of the issues. If people still want to shoot themselves in the foot , fair enough. We've had general elections in shorter spaces of time, with changed results- is that undemocratic?

We may not all have a Degree but many ordinary folk are fed up with being told what to do or how to think by the elite .We are not all stupid & are allowed an opinion,if Remaine had won the referendum that would’ve been that!

I agree 100 with piscarii & irishlady,May has had nearly 3 years to negotiate a deal but she obviously doesn’t want to leave so is just wasting time & keeps bringing her recycled rubbish deal .We voted to leave the EU,May said many times ‘No deal is better than a bad deal’,she has also repeatedly said ‘No customs Union or Single Market’ which is what we voted for......a majority is just that ....a majority!!!!WTO .??????

She's the Jose Mourinho of politics.

If I'd run the school, of which I was Headteacher, like TM is ruining (not a typo) the country I would have been out on my ear, and rightly so.

She’s gone all angry and headmistressy which isn’t an appealing look, plus she’s telling us what to think and blaming everyone else, which gets people’s backs up. Ok if you agree with her but few people do. I think people felt sorry for her last week with her croaky voice but today everyone seems against her.

The Brexiteers’ idea of how WTO rules would work is pure fantasy

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/19/wto-brexit-trade-uk-economy

Dr Kojo Koram teaches at the School of Law at Birkbeck College, University of London, and writes on issues of law, race and empire

I hope we leave the EU on WTO rules. If May's deal is accepted, that is only the first step. We then have the Political Declaration to negotiate. If Theresa May has charge of that we could be negotiating for the next 20 years. Also I thought her speech last night, as a Prime Minister was an absolute disgrace. She tried to ingratiate herself with the people by blaming MP's for this mess and all she managed to do was to make the MP's angry and humiliate herself. I also agree with Ramblingrose22 as to May's mental health. There is something very wrong with her.

Railman ‘ Parliament is sovereign’ NO, the people are sovereign! And they, the people, voted to leave. Maybe by only a small margin, but the majority wanted to leave.
Why is choosing an M.P. or choosing a government by majority voting accepted but not a majority vote to leave?
This whole business is a battle between direct democracy and representative democracy.
We voted to leave directly and our representatives refuse to accept it, thats why we’re in this mess -

Tuppence15, I am with you on this one and we can simply can't leave without a deal of sorts however much people think we can as we have to much to lose. The majority in the referendum vote was small so we really should have another. This lot in government will never ever come to a decision, they are all just thinking of themselves.

I agree wholeheartedly Tuppence - but after last night's performance I think resigning is completely outside her sphere of thinking, never mind considering and rejecting the idea.

Why is it that another referendum is considered undemocratic but TM can keep presenting the same deal over and over until she gets the answer she wants? Isn’t that undemocratic?
I voted to remain but excepted the majority verdict. I never expected to be in this mess 2 years on. I think it’s time TM resigned.

The problem is , Leeds22, that "moving on" could not possibly happen for a very long time. May's deal is only the withdrawal deal, ie just the first stage of brexit. If that went through then for the next ten, fifteen, or twenty years our politics would be dominated by trade negotiations and disputes, instead of all the really important issues which affect our lives

I'm a remainer but realise we are highly unlikely to get another vote. So, our dear politicians should just get on with accepting the brokered deal and move onto dealing with this country's many problems which are being overlooked while they rant about Brexit. And I never want to hear that Cameron has been given a knighthood!

She has had two years to sort it out . she has never wanted to leave the EU she was remainer. She will hang this out for as long as she can . Just leave with a hard brexit and save the country millions and make Britain a country to be proud of again.

Can't understand why there are complaints about Joh Bercow - after all Brexiteers have said that they want their country and government back.

So Bercow is at least doing what the Maybot has not done - he has taken back control - Parliament is sovereign, not government.

With you there Lemongrove

Exactly so maddyone ??
And also grampie

As Bercow said himself not long ago, rules, protocols etc can be changed, otherwise nothing would ever change.

This is such an important matter, not some piddling vote,
That Bercow was well aware of what he was doing.
However, in the end he has done May a favour I think, as this will contentrate minds and hopefully get something done......like out of the EU, at last.

We all know parliament’s cunning plan. That is to stop the UK from leaving the EU by any means possible.

Your title made me laugh out loud - normally I’m just blooming angry at the handling of Brexit - no matter how you voted , so thank you for a good beginning to a Thursday

Just seen Caroline Flint speaking on Sky News channel. She is absolutely right, the hard brexiteers would prefer to leave with no deal, the remainders don’t want to leave at all and will do anything to prevent leaving. May’s deal may well not be perfect because it is a compromise. One would think given the fairly close referendum result, that a compromise would be the ideal deal for everyone, I know both leavers and remainers who have said parliament should vote for it. But that hasn’t happened because of entrenched positions and big egos, much the same as I have frequently observed on brexit threads on Gransnet. Too much of ‘I know best, my way or no way.’ Our parliamentarians have let us down badly, with their sense of entitlement, big egos, and refusal to compromise.

I was under the impression that the 29th March had been enshrined in law. Surely that makes an extension illegal!!

Well I am not sure spabbygirl I regather suspect this is precisely what the EU did with regard to Greece, Ireland and other problems in the past such as Maastricht, keep going back and back and back until we little people voted the way they were supposed to