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“Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU” Petition

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NotSpaghetti Thu 21-Mar-19 08:52:48

The government repeatedly claims exiting the EU is 'the will of the people'. Well now there is a petition demonstrating the strength of public support for revoking article 50!

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

trisher Sun 31-Mar-19 14:42:16

If Remain had won I wouldn't have minded if there was a regular referendum to decide our status, say every 5 years or so.

Caledonai14 Sun 31-Mar-19 12:54:09

This seems to be picking up speed again. I wonder if that's because they are going to debate it in the House of Commons tomorrow?

varian Sun 31-Mar-19 10:57:26

More than 6 million signatures!

trisher Sun 31-Mar-19 10:54:24

I am "miffed" that a major decision was taken on such a small majority. That the campaign for Leave that won was built on lies and illegally funded. There has not been a prosectution because the Electoral Commission's remitt is General Elections and not referendums.
A woman (chair of the Leave campaign?) on TV this morning saying all the documentation about the campaign has been destroyed. Now why would you do that?
I will ask the question again Why can't there be another vote? What are Leavers afraid of?

lemongrove Sun 31-Mar-19 10:54:13

That doesn’t excuse GN posters from taking out their ‘miffed’ feelings on other GNers either.

lemongrove Sun 31-Mar-19 10:50:04

Being miffed is allowed Gonegirl but you ( we) knew in advance that the result with the most votes would win the day. Would you have accepted that outcome if Remain had won the day ?It really is as simple as answering that question honestly.
Most people ( on all sides) could not know what it would involve, or how things would be negotiated.More prior information could not have helped.
The voters of the UK had to leave things to the government and Parliament.....it’s what they are there for, but sadly they have shown us that they are not up to the job.

Gonegirl Sun 31-Mar-19 10:42:21

lemongrove I think the Remainers (including me) are miffed that such an important step was taken on such a small majority. Things should have been handled better before the referendum. More information should have been given to people. Most of the people who voted didn't know what it would involve. And some of them, not all by a long way, were simply Little Englanders, or outright racists.

lemongrove Sun 31-Mar-19 10:34:24

The insults towards those who voted to leave the EU ( on GN) has been staggering and an eye opener.
Now we are witnessing those same ‘remainer’ posters having a last gasp at it.
I assume these people regard themselves as liberal fair minded citizens, who have no hint of bias and never look down on others. I do wonder about that!
Despite the attempts by Parliament generally to create a dogs dinner out of things, we will leave the EU this year.
Life will go on.

Ginny42 Sun 31-Mar-19 09:53:13

Kandinsky with respect we did know they were lying at the time. We're not talking small change here, it's thousands and thousands of pounds fraudulently spent to win the Referendum. At some stage they must answer the public for deceiving them. This is not a jolly jape if they are let off it means Minsters think they're above the law. Sorry to be so blunt but smell the coffee.

One might reflect on what they were doing to their mate Cameron, as they were setting him up good style. Don't forget the look on Johnson's face when the result was announced. They did not expect it.

maryeliza54 Sun 31-Mar-19 09:27:04

Kadinsky why do you think that we have spending limits in this country? We regard it as an essential component of democracy in that being able to essentially ‘buy’ votes is fundamentally anti-democratic.

Kandinsky Sun 31-Mar-19 09:09:36

But that’s not the voters fault.
Leavers had no idea what money was being spent.
And I’m certain if remainers could overturn the referendum result on some over spending technicality they would have by now!

Ginny42 Sat 30-Mar-19 23:16:24

According to The Guardian today, Johnson and Gove have dropped their appeal against the Electoral Commission's ruling that they broke the law when they channelled hundreds of thousands of pounds of donations to a supposedly independent group - BeLeave. Gove was co-convener and Johnson was the figurehead of the official Brexit campaign. Liam Fox, IDS and Dominic Raab were on the committee.

Previously they had said they couldn't comment pending the appeal, but now they've dropped it pressure is on them to admit that Vote Leave broke the law. They claim that they have dropped the appeal because they're out of funds.

Layla Moran Lib Dem MP is reported to have said, 'It is now incumbent on the government to act. We have heard minister after minister say the referendum is valid. This is proof it was not.'

Yes, it is time to revoke Article 50 because it was submitted on a result obtained by fraudulent means. There should be a public enquiry now, otherwise it seems senior Government ministers are above the law.

Ginny42 Sat 30-Mar-19 19:27:18

Casting pearls before swine you mean? Nasty analogy, and of course we do understand. Kapitan, Lemongrove

varian Sat 30-Mar-19 19:10:27

There is so much in that polemic that rings true Maizie. We have to be very wary of Russia.

lemongrove Sat 30-Mar-19 18:22:24

Kapitan....grin great answer from you to another tiresome accusation of pearl clutching.
‘Better to clutch them than cast them’.......although it may be over that poster’s head!

MaizieD Sat 30-Mar-19 18:13:11

This makes interesting reading:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

Foundations of Geopolitics is a book by Aleksandr Dugin.

Commenting on it: "In 2017, news.com.au said that the book "reads like a to-do list for Putin's behaviour on the world stage"

The 'list' is in the article...

Urmstongran Sat 30-Mar-19 13:12:36

He would be wouldn’t he varian!!

*sigh

Alexa Sat 30-Mar-19 12:44:18

"Putin's avowed aim is to destabilise the West and undermining the EU is a key part of that. Putin, Trump and the French fascist Marine le Pen were the only foreign politicians to support the leave campaign."

(Varian)

Alexa Sat 30-Mar-19 12:42:24

Don't be too sentimental . Know your enemy. There are divisive forces at work in the heart of our society. Best be a patriot not a nationalist.

Alexa Sat 30-Mar-19 12:38:52

Putin of Russia believes in divide and rule, as well he might, it's a strong policy!

Britain became a strong member of Europe . Until very recently the Irish peace accord was working well.

It's one thing to declare that Britain can go it alone: it's a different thing to go it alone. Patriots are prudent and take care of the old country to keep it as strong as it can be.

Anniebach Sat 30-Mar-19 11:31:34

Would we not be calmer without ‘the experts’? So easy to find one to support one’s opinions .

Another thing which irritates me , the political commentators outside Westminster. ‘ a Tory/labour politician told me ‘ X ’, no name, nothing to support the claim

Firecracker123 Sat 30-Mar-19 11:27:04

Personally I think it's the Remainers who are bigoted.

varian Sat 30-Mar-19 11:25:02

Mervyn King is one of very few experts to take that view.

edition.cnn.com/videos/business/2019/03/29/no-deal-brexit-explr-richard-quest-zw-orig.cnn/video/playlists/around-the-world/

Urmstongran Sat 30-Mar-19 11:04:01

Lord Mervyn King said UK should leave EU on World Trade Organisation terms

He called for a six-month delay to ensure adequate preparation for the departure

Lord King claimed the costs of No Deal would be no different from staying in.

It seems different experts have different viewpoints!
Go Mervyn!
?

varian Sat 30-Mar-19 10:42:31

Putin's avowed aim is to destabilise the West and undermining the EU is a key part of that. Putin, Trump and the French fascist Marine le Pen were the only foreign politicians to support the leave campaign.

I do know that wikipedia is not 100% authoratative, Alexa but this article sums up many aspects of the Russian interference in our EU referendum and gives links.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_Brexit_referendum