Appalling news about Brexit

Fire how do you know what we would say about any other MP with a criminal conviction? Do stop making stuff up.

Absolutely vigdis, I realise there are some British people who behave badly, especially in certain places where a lot of cheap alcohol is available to them, but as you say, these people are in the minority. I don’t travel to such places anyway, I try to avoid them. I’m sure many other people do the same.

@maddyone
Must admit I've only seen this boorish type of behaviour in certain holiday destinations in some well-known Spanish resorts... plus some of the East European capitals where 'lads' hold their stag events (shudder).
Considering the number of Brits travelling abroad, I think this cloddish behaviour is of the minority. Unfortunately, their churlishness gets more attention which gives the wrong impression of Brits abroad.

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Sorry, typo.

‘Our behaviours when travelling abroad says it all. Shameful, ill mannered, and totally disrespectful, like the ‘certain’ mob of Brexiteers.’

Well I certainly do not behave shamefully, im not ill mannered, and I’m not totally disrespectful. The word ‘our’ seems to imply this describes the behaviour of all British people when they’re abroad. I’m afraid I beg to disagree, the vast majority of British people behave well, exhibit good manners, and are totally respectful when they are travelling abroad.

@Firecracker123
Probably as low as those Leavers who defend the lying, cheating, and fraud of the Leave campaign. Fiona O will probably ultimately lose her job - rightly so - but the cheats, liars and fraudsters will get away with it.

It is a mystery how Boris is not convicted yet for electoral fraud, yet.

Who said I was a remainder? If you want to keep on vilifying a woman who is already being punished in law then do carry on. No way wonder people can’t work together if this is the level of debate.

Fiona Onasanya still had her tag on she is a convicted criminal. What double standards exists on here making excuses for her how low can Remainers go. If it was Boris or Jacob Rees Mogg voting with a tag on you would all be up in arms.

@MaizieD
That acknowledgement of cheating etc will never happen, and of course, no charges can be brought because the Referendum was only Advisory, in spite of Cameron's pledge.
If the Referendum is legally Advisory, then Government is not obliged to honour the "will of the people"... but which politician / PM would risk their reputation, or even their life, to speak up and say so. Apart from the fact that we all know, Leavers and Remainers, that TM is following her own agenda, and that Party Interest beats Country Interest, every time.
So we will leave, how - who knows, because TM is not going to compromise her Deal or her Party, and is in hock to the clarion calls from the right-wing media and interests... and, worse, is not prepared to stand up to the bullying, thuggish hooligans who are menacing MPs and threatening violence if they don't get their way - even though they are small in number.
We face a dystopian future, that is for sure. It may not be Armageddon, as some hint at, but it will mean belt-tightening to a degree that we have not seen since the end of the last war. Leavers acknowledge this (well some do) hence the repeated references to our plucky spirit during WW2. However, unlike then, we will not be able to just 'make do and mend' because, unlike then, we are not all pulling in the same direction for the same goal. We are a divided nation, have been for some time, and will continue to be for a couple of generations at least. Much as I can sympathise with some of the feelings of Leave voters, I can never accept that they have made the right decision for the majority of the people in the UK.

Another excuse to vent their pent-up angst-----it doesn't take much these days. Look at someone the wrong way and there's a bashing in store.
I've never come across such a society of unruly and angry people in this country and I've been to many where the receptions have been a pleasure, which is why I have nothing against European countries or their involvements with this country.
Our behaviours when travelling abroad says it all ! Shameful, ill-mannered and totally disrespectful like the " certain " mob of Brexiteers.

GG13 '? I propose we have a third one after a year so then it would be “best of three”'

not that old chestnut again- if the vote is legit- it will go through. There will be no 3rd vote- well at least not for some years. And you know that, perfectly well.

If it goes through and we leave with No Deal- then my prediction is that there will be a massive economic drain, services drain- and more importantly, a huge brain drain. People will accept the vote - and move with their feet, heart and soul.

Some sort of acknowledgement from Leavers that the referendum was 'won' with fraud, cheating and illegality would be very welcome.

If this is 'democracy' then I don't care much for their version of it.

As to 'we are leaving', it's completely up in the air at the moment.

Back to the OP and civil unrest, let us hope no violence and certainly no loss of life. Please.

I hope you are right lemongrove but some hard-right Leavers are not happy with the 'soft' deal option and will not be appeased. I believe, and hope, their numbers are small.
We'll see.

I admire your confidence Lemongrove. I am a remainer and would like a second referendum, but I think the Withdrawal Agreement will probably get through next week as the only option left.

I personally know two people who have lied about who was driving when caught on a speed camera. I do not condone it, but it’s hardly the crime of the century and the woman has paid her dues and been publicly humiliated and vilified.

To get back to the OP.......police won’t be needed because we will leave with a deal, not without one.
Of course though, all preparations are needed.... until they are not needed.All situations have to be prepared for.

I have the feeling this news will be passed off as 'scaremongering' by the blowhard Leavers, in spite of the fact that there is evidence everywhere that some - and I emphasise 'some' - Brexiters are spoiling for a fight.
The fact this news is reported in The Guardian will be sufficient, for some, to dismiss it out of hand.
In my humble opinion, nothing short of actually experiencing the disorder and chaos that must, inevitably, follow a No-Deal Brexit to some degree, will persuade the more die-hard Brexiters that these reports are in fact not scaremongering.
And who will get the blame? Those that commit crimes, those that encouraged them, the thugs and racists bent on some dictatorship-type of government? I doubt it...
There are sane Brexiters - I've met them... I wish they'd speak up more and not just adopt the 'nothing-to-do-with-me' attitude.
An outright condemnation in Government circles from devout Brexiteers would be useful, instead of the somewhat emotive and prejudiced rhetoric from the likes of Johnson.

Sad really isn’t it? I use Facebook to keep in touch with my family and friends, and to post a few pictures of holidays or special occasions. Sometimes (with my children’s permission) I put the odd proud grandma photo on of my grandchildren. I don’t believe Facebook is really for the pushing of political ideas, or for nasty groups to propagate their views.

@GrannyGravy13
I'm sure Robinson and EDL are not the front-runner spokesmen for the Leave voters, but they are rabble-rousing the less than stable to violence.
And as far as I am aware, the threats of violence, rape and murder have not come from the Remain side.
You cannot ignore such intimidation and threats, there has a,ready been one murder.
If you discuss this issue on Facebook under articles calling for a PV, you will see some Leave voters stating that they support Tommy Robinson, and if you look at their FB profile, you will see some pretty scary stuff.
There are some very dark and nasty elements in the Leave contingent, and I really wonder if all the well-intentioned Leavers are aware of this.

I agree with you Rosie, Fiona Onasanya should not be in the HofC to vote on anything. However, as things stand at the moment, she is allowed I’m afraid.

I believe 72.21% of registered voters turned out to vote in the referendum.

Autosuggestion again by the media------( rolls eyes ) Always their intentions to whip up a frenzy knowing that the public will respond, albeit violently where the Brexiteers are concerned !

And have ( acted that is)