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Appalling news about Brexit

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maryeliza54 Thu 04-Apr-19 10:46:24

Robinson is completely embedded in UKIP ( which tbf to him led to NF leaving but sadly his new party then had to sack its new leader for Robinson type tweets). There are enough leavers of this type to be of serious concern. And it’s not just about number but being prepared to act - and they are.

crystaltipps Thu 04-Apr-19 10:44:25

Who is more of a threat - a disgraced MP who has already served a short sentence and surely wont be reselected, or the abusive thugs who are threatening and planning to carry out murder and rape or allowed a big screen in parliament square to spread their hate message?

maryeliza54 Thu 04-Apr-19 10:41:15

eazy it doesn’t matter how any of us view her crime. She is legally entitled to sit as an MP at the moment.

paddyann Thu 04-Apr-19 10:39:50

52% of 37% of the electorate voted leave,hardly a "majority" of the people or as TM says "the British people voted to leave" well by my reckoning thats only about one in five that want to leave ,surely common sense must prevail and they have to put it back to the people .IF they gat a decent turnout and a good majority for leave then I believe remainers will accept it.As it is its just not on !!

crystaltipps Thu 04-Apr-19 10:39:10

Who are the ones sending death and rape threats to MPs and actively planning to carry out such threats?

eazybee Thu 04-Apr-19 10:34:40

So, Anja, you don't consider lying to the police, repeatedly, to be a serious crime?

GrannyGravy13 Thu 04-Apr-19 10:32:03

I am breaking my “no Brexit post after 29/03/19” - There were and still are millions of “normal” people who shall be deeply troubled if Brexit is abandoned.

Robinson and EDL are not representative of the leave vote, but are often trotted out by those against leaving the EU as an example of those wanting to leave!!!

If we end up with another referendum? I propose we have a third one after a year so then it would be “best of three” with the proviso that whatever “clowns” are governing (or trying to govern) the UK HAS to abide by the result.

petunia Thu 04-Apr-19 10:25:01

I don't like to comment on political issues at the moment as whichever side you are on, vitriol and scorn is poured down from a great height.

But I did read an interesting article the other day. At the moment, the public voted leave against a background of most MPs firmly believing remain. The article asked what would have happened if the vote was the same percentages, but with remain winning. With the remain MPs now rabidly in favour of leave. We will never know but its an interesting thought none the less

jura2 Thu 04-Apr-19 10:20:51

Well I do wonder whether there would be more risk of serious violence on the streets if Article 50 is revoked, or a second vote /a first informed one - would be allowed - or if we leave with 'No Deal'. Only one side has displayed serious violence and threats.

I do believe that the unrest will unfold later if we leave with No Deal, and the very ones who voted to it will be the ones seriously affected- and they come to realise they were sold a very sick pup.

maryeliza54 Thu 04-Apr-19 10:15:09

And today it goes to the Lords where there are several convicted criminals who would not have been allowed to remain MPs because of the length of their sentences. She is legally an MP until the recall petition might determine otherwise - so what’s your point Rosie you don’t believe in the rule of law?

maryeliza54 Thu 04-Apr-19 10:10:54

The 1975 referendum was not about joining but about staying - we’ve never had a vote about joining. 67% voted in favour of staying in which could not really be called ‘close’. Not a similar situation at all ( although the Cabinet were split so that was the same?)

Anja Thu 04-Apr-19 10:10:33

Unlike the right wing, tag-wearing convicted thugs whose convictions (plural) are for serious crimes?

Rosieroe Thu 04-Apr-19 10:07:20

“Last night, tag-wearing convicted criminal Fiona Onasanya helped a bill designed to frustrate the will of 17.4 million people pass through the Commons by just a single vote.”

crystaltipps Thu 04-Apr-19 09:59:15

Which type of peope are likely to cause civil unrest? The EDL / UKIP followers of Tommy Robinson? The football fans who now seem to have developed a political wing? The thugs who shout abuse / worse at anyone foreign? Three guesses which camp they will be in.

MaizieD Thu 04-Apr-19 09:55:32

I don't think there was any criminal activity involved in the 1975 referendum. Whereas in 2016 Vote Leave broke the electoral law.

Liz46 Thu 04-Apr-19 09:46:43

I don't normally discuss religion or politics but feel like commenting on this.

In the 1970s we both voted not to go into Europe but did not win. We assumed it was a democratic vote and accepted it.

Bit different now.

Lily65 Thu 04-Apr-19 09:38:28

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/apr/04/police-amass-10000-officers-in-preparation-for-no-deal-unrest

I can only assume these people know what they are doing.