What do we think of Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party?

Good call Urmstongran ??

I’m just wondering here .... does anyone think the ‘secret millionaire’ guy who is putting himself forward for the by election in Peterborough might be the ‘secret donor’ of the £100k to the Brexit Party?

You never know!

GGMK3. My mind is very much open which is why I am able to see through the puppet masters of the EU.

Thu 09-May-19 18:43:43 to Jabberwok

'No Man is an Island'
No man is an island entire of itself; every man
is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;
if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
well as any manner of thy friends or of thine
own were; any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.

So you didn't think your original I sometimes wonder if people on here actually know what fascism or Nazism is might have sounded a little patronising too? We tend to reap what we sow.

And it was you who mentioned concentration camps as being the epitome of fascism I believe. How then, am I supposed to know they you have any insight whatsoever into how a country follows fascists?

So you don't think there is an attempt to manipulate people into remembering the past and thinking we could do it on our own again? You don't read some of the far-right Brexit posts I do, obviously.

And you don't think the financial crisis of 2008 has had vast and deep repercussions on the country?

And you don't hear people saying that we pay the EU too much money? Or that this has been manipulated by a message on a bus, etc.

And you don't think the very wealthy are sinking their money into the parties they think will not only allow them, not only keep their money but increase it.

And you don't hear the way the wealthy describe Corbyn in particular as if he was some modern-day Rasputin. You don't hear the way they attempt to persuade those who are not so wealthy that he is wickedness incarnate least they vote for a party that might take the wealth back and redistribute it?

And you don't think that these parties are being provided with the very best, modern day, propaganda tools by the wealthy.

And you don't think that a particular ethnic group have been held up as the reason for all the ills in this country. Ills that have been caused by poor economic reasoning resulting in "austerity" for 10 years.

And you haven't heard those who call themselves "Brexiteers" threatening politicians who thwart them and people who disagree being told they are not the right sort of 'patriot'.

And you cannot connect this with what has happened in the past.

Not everyone who followed the fascist was akin to Tommy Robinson. They were mum's and dad's, grannies and grandpas, but there are enough around in this day and age to make most people with an open mind both wonder and fear what comes next.

The Pied Piper? Very apt!!!!

jabberwok if you think that fascist ideology is simply limited to what happened in Germany in the 30s you aren’t up to date with what is happening throughout Europe.
And the sort of ideology being pursued by Bannon and cronies.

IMV it would be prudent if our government noted certain verses from Robert Browning's poem, the Mayor being Mrs May.

At last the people in a body
To the Town Hall came flocking:
'Tis clear, cried they, our Mayor's a noddy;
And as for our Corporation — shocking
To think we buy gowns lined with ermine
For dolts that can't or won't determine
What's like to rid us of our vermin!
Rouse up, Sirs! Give your brains a racking
To find the remedy we're lacking,
Or, sure as fate, we'll send you packing!
At this the Mayor and Corporation
Quaked with a mighty consternation.

So, Willy, let you and me be wipers
Of scores out with all men—especially pipers;
And, whether they pipe us free from rats or from mice,
If we've promised them aught, let us keep our promise.

I assure you I know all of your patronising informative post GG! I'm well aware that the Versailles agreement (January
18th 1919) led to Germany being totally humiliated, bankrupted, and generally ground down, not helped by the wallstreet crash of 1929! Not sure that this country has quite reached that level of despair,despite our treacherous politicians. Nigel for me in the EU elections after that? Probably won't bother to vote in the next UK one, after all, whose manifesto could anyone possibly believe?!!

I sometimes wonder if people on here actually know what fascism or Nazism is. I don't see the advocation of any type of persecution, Concentration Camps ... (Thu 09-May-19 15:46:25)

You frighten me Jabberwok, with your oh so little knowledge of history.

Fascism didn't start with concentration camps. The general population often didn't know of their existence or, if they heard of them, didn't believe it could be true.

It started with wounded national pride. It started with manipulation of longing for times past when they felt their country was "great" to heal that wound.

It started with the breakdown of the economy so that many people felt betrayed and needed someone or something to blame that betrayal on.

It started because they felt they were being asked to pay too much to other countries and with the manipulation of that feeling into antagonism towards those countries.

It started with those who had wealth worrying that it would be taken from them as the poor grew angry at being the ones who were paying for the economic problems. So the wealthy funded the growing fascist movement and provided them with all the modern propaganda methods they needed.

It started with an attack on a minority who could be blamed for all the ills that simple poor economics and the previous bad governance had actually caused.

It started with the name calling of those who didn't agree. The growth in the idea that they were not the right sort of patriot.

It started with popular support and only ended with oppression. The people who were carried along by the idea of it didn't anticipate what it would do to them and their country. Do you think they would have followed their own pied piper if they had?

What are the policies of the others party candidates in the Peterborough election have they published theirs yet?

I was posting about the BP candidate in the Peterborough by election - policies would be useful then maybe?

That’s because at this stage they hardly need a manifesto,
People will vote for them on the Brexit ‘tag’ in the MEP elections, and that alone.
I think the MEP’s chosen, from whichever parties probably will never get their feet under an EU table, as some sort of withdrawal agreement will no doubt be voted for in Parliament before too long.....simply because they have to.

This

This is breathtaking from
@MartinDaubney
.

Asked by
@afneil
why his
@brexitparty_uk
has absolutely no manifesto, he responds:

“Because, as Nigel said, we’re only four weeks old and the manifesto will come out after the elections.”

Go on. Take your time. Savour this statement.

Well as the BP has no policies apart from Brexit it’s hard to judge anyone who stands under their banner isn’t it? As a lifelong Tory I think it’s clear however where he stands on many issues.

???

jabberwok what are his policies?

I sometimes wonder if people on here actually know what fascism or Nazism is. I don't see the advocation of any type of persecution, Concentration Camps, proposals to murder people with learning or physical difficulties, the setting up of youth training camps, or any other niceties that the Nazis were so keen on. I just see a man speaking a lot of common sense, as angry as a lot of us for being taken for right old ride by duplicious politicians of all colours. Promising people something again and again that you have no intention of doing from day 1 is completely disgraceful,so Nigel gets my vote or I don't vote at all as no other party is worth the paper its lies are written on!

No, maryeliza. Someone decent and nice! No wonder you’re disappointed.
?

With regard to the funding winging its way into the one man Brexit Party. The one man needs to declare exactly where this money is coming from otherwise all sorts of rumours are bound to spread. Like the whispered rumour if money laundering.

It doesn’t take much to compile a list of doners and make it public.

With regard to the charge of 1930s politics.

It is already public knowledge that Farage appears to support people with fascist policies. I won’t list the names as everyone knows who they are.

It would dispel this suspicion immediately if he could see his way forward to publishing a one man manifesto. It won’t take long to knock together, as there will not be any other party members to consider.

I'm awaiting my delivery of leaflets and will be doing everything I can to help the cause in my area, under the umbrella of Tim Scott.

Shame on you? What......shame on you for your stupid desire to push the whole population into 2 camps. Remainers/Leavers. Thousands of people are uncertain, have changed their minds, have been sold down the river by inept politicians.

That does not mean we must regard NF as our saviour. He is an opportunist, a populist, a xenophobe and a crowd pleaser with some very dodgy friends.

I agree Day6.... the desperate slurs get worse as time goes on.
Roll on leaving the EU when all this kind of stuff will finally come to an end.

Mosely mark 2. That is the worry

And an extremely desperate comment from a Remainer despising anyone or anything to do with leaving the EU.

It doesn't work, Whitewavemark2 but it is a predictable and rather pathetic response, as you too mentioned, Jabberwok

They smear anything to do with Farage. Campaigners are out in force aren't they? So voting to leave the EU is reminiscent of facism? That is deluded and desperate. When will leavers be termed Nazis by Remainers, one wonders? How low can you stoop?

Using echoes of fascism/Mosely because (MILLIONS) of people want to leave to leave a political and controlling European union based in Brussels (and save ourselves £39,000,000,000* into the bargain) means that all those who want to leave are nasty, evil hateful people - fascists.

Remain MkII and slurring leavers via Farage is up and running folks.

The zeitgeist of this particular period of political history is our satisfaction, or not of the EU.

Farage both in fighting for politicians to recognise the large-scale and overwhelming anti-EU mood of the UK and now, more recently in expressing his horror (and ours) at the games being played in Westminster and in Parliament has captured that mood. Democracy is in danger, but Remainers overlook that and only seem intent on winning.

The attempt by MPs to tie us to a body (one fast crumbling if we notice what is happening in so many member states) that the majority of people voted against is despicable and political commentators everywhere have recognised it.

That we stand up to protest and have a party formed as a protest vehicle is not fascist - but let certain Remainers carry on using that vile line of argument.

Shame on you. What a desperate measure and pathetic slur against Leavers or supporters of the Brexit Party, Whitewavemark2