What do we think of Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party?

Gotta love your disingenuous posts Nonnie
You ‘never see’ stuff when it suits.

And I get a bit fed up with the assumption (on here) that Leavers voted the way we did because we were gullible by believing lies told on social media.

I didn’t.
And wasn’t.

I just believed different expert views to those who voted Remain. So pardon me if I get a bit hacked off when posters here endorse links and evidence ad nauseaum purporting to show me the error of my (voting) ways.

Please will someone explain the following:

1 Corrupt political union, as in how if differs from our own.

&

2 How do you know that TM et al don't want Brexit.

I've heard both of these a lot and may have missed the explanations but I would really like to know the facts please.

If the country is forced to spend £millions on financing Euro elections which are shortly to be held, it shows how useless government and all politicians have been in gaining a good deal when we leave Europe.

Nigel Farage's Brexit party will highlight the way that the referendum result has been hijacked by politicians who are more interested in serving themselves, rather than helping the UK to leave Europe (as stated in their respective manifesto)!

They have made us a laughing stock! And need to be held to account.

Especially when we Leavers on here have been berated for falling for lies on it.

No you haven't, Ug. Remainers make generalised comments. If they don't apply to you personally there's no need to be bothered by it. I get a bit fed up with the assumption that all 'old people' voted Leave but it's really not worth worrying about.

I am not and never have been on FB.

Farge has given a speech to the German rightwing AfD party

twitter.com/JustSayNope/status/1118845383654944768

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/nigel-farage-germany-right-wing-anti-immigrant-afd-berlin-hitler-finance-minister-granddaughter-a7937126.html

Well not using FB is very relevant to me MaizieD

Especially when we Leavers on here have been berated for falling for lies on it.

As I say, it never affected me.
Sorry if that irritates you.

I do not believe that any Prime Minister has ever called a General Election in British history in the hope the opposition would win.

Nice one, Grandad

Thanks for the link to the "bad boys of Brexit" Whitewavemark2 it is shocking reading. I wonder how Farage's fan club feel about his links with far right German groups and his right wing youth?

Will you all stop telling me that you've never used Facebook. Millions of people do use it. A handful of grannies who don't use it are neither here nor there.

Joelsnan, Quote [ So she called a general election on the premise of getting the country's backing for her. She probably was hoping Labour would win the election to let her and her party off the hook in delivering the promised referendum outcome.] End Quote.

Joelsnan, to coin a famous phrase in regard to the above post, "you cannot be serious Joelsnan .....you can not be serious."

As you state at the being of your above post, "we must have been living in a parallel universe." That may be true as I do not believe that any Prime Minister has ever called a General Election in British history in the hope the opposition would win.

Perhaps in a parallel universe.

Basically we all have to be more “politically savvy” and take our information /news from a variety of different sources.

But the essential point is that this information/news must be available for everyone to read/watch.

How can you refute a lie if you don 't even know it's been promulgated? How can you debate a point if you don't even know it's been made?

I have never used Facebook. Ever.

Wake up to Farage

twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1118846570177413122

MaizieD, I wasn’t on social media at the time of the referendum or the last election.

I think that now the “internet genie” is out of the bottle it is going to be extremely difficult to put it back.

No Country will unilaterally “police/restrict” the Internet as there will be the inevitable outcry of freedom of speech.

Basically we all have to be more “politically savvy” and take our information /news from a variety of different sources.

I have watched the Carole Cadwalladr TED talk and consider some of her assumptions naive.

The rest of your comment, Joelsnan tells me that you have completely failed to grasp the ultimate point Carole was making. In fact, your comment looks remarkably like one of the BTL comments I read on the page. It also failed completely to grasp the point she was making. Perhaps you wrote it?

I think most people who use Facebook are only interested in what Friends and Family are up to and if there is anything decent for sale. Few even look at anything other unless they specifically want to and those usually have made their decision.

How can you possibly know what millions of other people look at when they use Facebook. What a ridiculous assertion to make.

Indeed, it is rather ironic assertion given that we are constantly being told that we can't possibly know the reasons why 17.4 million people voted Leave. If we can't know that how do you know with such confidence the way that millions of people use Facebook?

Anyway, I'd ask you to put your Leaver bias aside and look at the practices she describes; illicitly obtained data used to specifically target users' whose psychological profiles are based on what they have, and post, on their timelines. this information used to post adverts into their timelines giving information which no-one but they see or know about. So lies cannot be refuted and counter information cannot be given. This is totally at odds with a democratic process in which all information given to voters is available for everyone to see and respond to.

And please do not deny the power of advertising. Billions of pounds, dollars etc. are spent every year on advertising. If the people who spend the money didn't know that it is effective they wouldn't waste money on it.

Carole's point is that this is known to have happened, not only with the UK referendum but also in the 2016 US Presidential election and in Nigeria. Who knows, it could well be happening elsewhere. If this is not stopped it makes an utter mockery of the democratic process. No election will ever be 'fair' again.

Grandad1943
Goosh, we must have been living in a parallel universe, maybe on different strings (string theory) almost three years ago.
As far as I remember, on my string the in/out referendem returned a leave result.
David Cameron got the biggest fright of his life and took to the hills. The Conservative Party held a chaotic leadership battle and scapegoat Theresa May was considered the best of the worst and became PM.
TM was getting a lot of grief and felt she didnt hold a strong enough mandate to push Brexit forward (as a Remainer. How could she). So she called a general election on the premise of getting the country's backing for her. She probably was hoping Labour would win the election to let her and her party off the hook in delivering the promised referendum outcome.
Shock, conservatives scraped back in they were left to deliver the Brexit baby and though she wanted a quiet life was left as chief midwife to deliver said Brexit baby. Whilst pretending to be in tune with the mother she tries to prevent the birth by all means saying breathe when it should be push etc.

Many of those who voted leave would prefer to leave on good terms, however the capitulation deal cobbled by TM would for the majority of both leavers and remainers be an absolute disaster, so for leavers a no deal Brexit is the reasoned best way forward. Obviously those who want to go down with the ship will continue with their opinions.

badboysofbrexit.com/2018/05/16/jeremy-hosking/

More about fraudsters and liars.

Apologies, that should be "was started" in my above post.

crystaltipps Quote [Those who think remainers to blame for the H of C impasse seem to forget it was extreme leavers in the Tory party and DUP who Voted against the WA.] End Quote.

You have stated the exact truth in your above post crystaltipps, and it is that the Brexiteers wish to continually forget.

Theresa May called the 2017 General Election even when the Brexit negotiation where are ongoing as she felt it would destroy the Labour Party and increase the Tory majority in the House of Commons. That failed.

Theresa May then pressed on with brexit even though she did not have all the Tory Party in the House of Commons behind her in those negotiations. Those against her are extremist brexiteers that will never settle for anything less than a WTO Brexit no matter what the consequences for Britain.

Her support agreement with the DUP has proved as fragile and easily broken as the Tory Party in Parliament.

Therefore there is nowhere else to look for the situation this country now finds itself in regard to Brexit, but to the British Conserative Party.

This brexit situation who started to try and resolve internal issues in the Conservative Party. The ill throughout referendum campaign was brought forward by the Tory Party, and the wholesale debacle of the leave negotiation are entirely the fault of this government, and no other body.

Simple as that.

cindersdad

The BP is now 3rd. Way behind Lab and Con

Latest polls.

twitter.com/ComRes/status/1118853591689781248

All this "free, free, free" bit make you ask free to do what? Free to be poor, free to starve, free to have no pension, no health care - how far would these people like to go? It's just anarchy really, isn't it MamaCaz and Whitewave.

I certainly feel free not to worry about a party that has no policies and will have no power.

Brilliant post Joelsnan .