What do we think of Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party?

quizqueed you said: "all the 28 countries can be free and no longer just member states of a corrupt political union!", Please would you expand on that and explain exactly what you mean by'corrupt political union'? Evidence would be helpful too if you have it. Thanks

Urmston when I read your post of 0851 I saw NF and read it as National Front before I realised what you meant! Coincidence though.

What is Farage saying about life in the UK beyond Brexitmania?

Ginny42, the Brexit Party is a one issue party. Formed I presume because so many people feel very let down by Westminster and so many MPs attempting to keep us in the EU. The process has been hijacked - and this was allowed by May, it could have been her intention all along - so Leave means Remain.

I think at least 17.4 million people should join the Brexit Party, or at least support it.

I imagine if it does well in the EU elections it will form policies and contest a general election. I hope it does.

Many political columnists believe, as so many of us do, that the two-party system we have (Conservatives versus Labour - always) is outdated and not fit for purpose.

I expect the Brexit Party to gain both working class and middle class support. Labour and Conservative voters are no longer enthralled by the parties they traditionally voted for.

Well done Farage for representing not only Leave voters but voters who now feel politically homeless.

Labour stopped Brexit happening, aided and abetted by Theresa May.

the rise in the far right. It is, apparently, of more concern currently than any other ideology which is based on hate.

Ho ho ho...you are funny.

That is a line Corbyn's Marxist folloers are spinning. Fear. Fear that everyone who isn't a Corbyn supporter, has nasty tendencies.

The truth in Britain is, the far right is represented by knuckle-dragging skinheads with limited IQs which match their limited vision. There is probably a gang of 40 who turn up to shout at anything that will get them on the telly.

Sadly for Labour fans, the rest of us can see the far right for what it is...but carry on with Labour Fear, your version of Project Fear.

Most people in the UK are politically moderate and they tend to fall marginally right or left of centre.

You know this though.

What IS happening is the rise of right wing parties throughout Europe, disenchanted by the political elite not listening and forcing them down path-ways they have no desire to tread.

Politicians and their selective deafness and blinkered adherence to what THEY think is right for the electorate have caused this uprising.

It is a form of protest, just as the Leave vote was, and surely, Labour supporters wouldn't deny people the right to protest?

The Far Right in Britain is pathetic. Ugly, nasty, but pathetic, because people with values and a decent moral code won't touch them with a bargepole.

It is a limited force, which the left try to portray as the alternative to their uber liberal approach to virtually everything.

The middle ground is the one Farage has captured. The only politician aware of how the electorate really feels - let down by Labour and Conservative parties. Long may it last!

On 28th March, 2017 on LBC radio, Farage said that if Brexit is a failure, he'd move abroad. With his millions, he can do that easily, of course. Pity about the rest of us.

No, it’s not just about me GracesGranMK3 you’re right.

I think there are swathes of disillusioned Leave voters, who are (like myself) reasonable, kind, dare I say ‘nice’ people who just want someone to represent our views and take Brexit forward?

How sad that unhappy is the land (for those who voted Leave) that is in need of heroes. It should never have come to this.

Farage and the 'middle ground' - my oh my - your idea of the 'middle' is very different to mine for sure. Just because UKIP has moved to the extreme ultra right with BF and EDL- does not make Farage in the MIDDLE at all !?!

Why do you want to leave the EU Urmstongran. What do you expect to gain from leaving. I cannot see how any "Brexit" by hero, heroine or ordinary person, can be organised if no one knows what it means to a majority of leavers. It's almost as if the "leave" voters want someone to tell them what they meant when they voted.

Something Farage has in common with Rees Mogg.

They both support the AfD. Neo- Nazi political party in Germany.

It’s a mistake to think the far right in the U.K. are a couple of deranged skinheads who are no problem at all, whereas those European Far right activists are much bigger and more of a threat. Followers think a Brexit Party government would be some kind to of benign centre ground group of nice people who will share their bounty with the hoi polloi and you will live in isolated splendour just trading with the USA and becoming the 52nd state, then dream on.

I want to leave the EU because EU membership limits Britain’s international influence, ruling out an independent seat at the World Trade Organisation (WTO) and Britain would have more control of its laws and regulations, without risk of having counterintuitive policies forcefully imposed.

From what I read at the time of the referendum Britain’s domestic security would benefit more from greater border control than political union.

Britain contributes billions of pounds in membership fees to the EU every year and the overblown EU budget and gravy train has not had accounts audited for over 12 years!

Membership in the EU keeps Britain from fully capitalising on trade with other major economies like Japan, India and the UAE and in my opinion the EU runs a protectionist racket.

The EU subjects Britain to slow and inflexible bureaucracy, making it more prohibitive for smaller companies to do business. Improved global trade agreements and more selective immigration could have a positive effect on the British job market - as has been demonstrated recently by the rise in wages again now employers feel the pinch of a reduced workforce and the average person in Britain loses hundreds of pounds each year due to EU VAT contributions and agricultural subsidies policies.

Please don’t jump on me! No need to post various links or huge tracts of text because I shan’t read them. I read plenty in the run up to the referendum, listed to experts (obviously different ones to those Remainers chose to believe) and formed my opinion accordingly.

I’m glad NF is taking us forward with his Brexit Party. Why are Remainers so cross we like him? Are they worried we will do well with someone in our corner (at last!)
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Well said Urmston

Well the fact that you cannot see ANY reason why folks don’t like him, trust him, rate him says it all .

Where is AndyCameron69 when you need him?

"That is a line Corbyn's Marxist folloers are spinning"

I am not a Corbyn Marxist follower Day6 or even a Labour Party member although, while we are still a democratic country, I believe I would have every right to be so. So, obviously other people, than the group you like to parade as your big bad wolves, also fear the far right. I wonder why, thinking of comparatively recent history, anyone in their right mind would not fear the far right.

The far right are not, and never have been, unintelligent knuckle draggers and I don't think any one, again anyone who has a knowledge of history, is likely to believe they are, I doubt our intelligence services believe that either. They are throughout society, including on this forum and others but they are lead by an elite with MPs in Parliament which, I agree does not guarantee intelligence but does take them out of any knuckle dragging contest I guess. But you have to have this elite to peddle the con, to misinform - and they have done it well. There is, behind Brexit, a powerful group with an equally powerful media backing them. They want you to believe they were misunderstood and that therefore you were too. But they were not misunderstood; they were understood all too well and it was the politics they tried to drive forward - the neoliberalism that would make them rich and the rest of us insecure and poorer - that made people feel left out and excluded from the progress being made.

Why are you intent on talking to Labour? I wonder how many times you mentioned them? It was my post not a Labour members post and I find it easy enough to think for myself. You mention "this uprising." What uprising Day6? Is this some sort of threat? What an unsavoury post that is. I am really surprised you see Farage as the "middle ground". This may be why you are having problems with your view of Labour or even seeing where the far-right exists.

I think many people realise that vote was, for a large tranche of leave voters, merely a protest. That is why no one can find something they actually want to leave for. I notice you haven't either.

Good post Urmstongran

Yes, it does seem the usual suspects are running slightly scared. The fact remains those in parliament - not just the government, Labour too, have let down millions of people. There is lots of anger and disgust.

Very few of those people will vote Labour or Tory again. There are people from all classes and backgrounds who will support Farage because he presents an alternative. He is also patriotic - and given Labour under Corbyn most definitely is not, (he tends to support enemies of the UK) and that will appeal to many.

We do not want to be part of the EU, to pay £billions of taxpayers pounds to Brussels any longer. Those of us who take an interest in European events can clearly see the unrest in Europe, in EU member states, and feel the EU is out of favour with the people, and unlikely to exist ten years from now. Why on earth would we want to bail out the failing Euro either, or pick up the debts of smaller states? Our own policies can determine where our money is spent overseas.

Farage speaks for millions in the UK.

Speaks for millions does not inspire confidence in the mindset of those millions?

I didn’t say that Bridgeit but sometimes one has to sup with the devil.
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It’s a shame needs must.
Hey ho.

Thank you Joelsnan and Day6 (says she taking a bow modestly!)
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That said, those are just my reasons. To each their own! I think the whole bloody farago has gone on so long we’ve all become embittered and entrenched in our views. Over and over the same ground, chasing our tails.

Jura, as you know, Farage has denounced the toxic far right element of UKIP.

He left UKIP before Tommy Robinson as accepted into the fold.

Most decent people denounce the far right. It is convenient not to see Farage as representing the middle ground, but he is - we haven't had a middle ground party for, well, in my lifetime! Labour has become far left, UKIP may be far right, and the Conservatives have lost their way altogether over Brexit.

As I have said before, Labour is not for the working class any longer. It has been hijacked by the liberal elite who secretly despise working classes, and the far left/Marxist wing which is power-hungry.

Corbyn ditched all his long-held principles over Brexit. He despised the EU for decades. He has revealed himself to be a worm, one which turns and squirms. I have lost all respect for the man, as have many, many one time Labour voters. He is not to be trusted and is the front man for Momentum.

Corbyn is the epitome of weakness/deceit. May has lost the plot.

There is not a lot out there, politically, for people who do not see Labour or Conservative as their natural homes.

The Brexit Party provides an alternative to the jokers who sit in the House of Commons.

I think many, many people from all classes and walks of life may just identify with Farage and all he is trying to do. Like the rest of us, he deplores the Westminster elite, who, over Brexit, have shown themselves to be a bunch of back-stabbing hypocrites. Left and Right wingers.

Where do the disillusioned turn? Who do they vote for now? Where do they look for someone purporting to understand their dismay and feelings of betrayal?

To the Brexit Party I hope.

Agreed it is getting very complex indeed- but I will not agree that Farage represents the middle ground - just because he has distanced himself from the extreme alt right UKIP has now become.

Of course Farage understands betrayal. He has cleverly manged to convince millions of peple that they don't need EU membership, while carefully ensuring his own children retain their EU citizenship. Some of them have Irish passports, some have German passports.

I can’t understand why we have people like Farage as Euro MPs when they are so blatantly anti Europe.

The middle ground will get behind the new Brexit Party.

Take a look at pro-EU zealots like George Osborne, Sir Richard Branson, Tony Blair, Lord Mandelson. Are these people on the side of the poor and vulnerable?

It's not about leaders, who's in, who's out. It is about the democracy of a country where the majority of those who voted in 2016 voted to leave, and whose decision the pro-EU ruling class is doing its worst to thwart.

All the rest, all the vile accusations about racism, all the personal attacks, are nasty but finally irrelevant. It's about democracy, whether the people of this country make the decisions about the future of this country.

oh you make me laugh, or weep - Annunziata truly represents the poor, for sure.