Grammaretto
^We in the so-called developed countries are far bigger consumers of world resources than those in poorer countries. It should be us controlling our population rather than those who maybe have bigger families.
And fewer pets^
Its not just food that every new member of the world needs.
There could be a real 'religious' argument surrounding this as most religions have promoted breeders and killed non breeders who may be amongst us for an environmental balance purpose but this is now skewed.
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Climate Change Protests - will they make a difference?
(792 Posts)There has been so far 3 days of climate change protests in Central London and other locations. They’ve disrupted traffic and inconvenienced a few, but have been in the main peaceful and has had a festival atmosphere. It looks like these protests will continue. Personally I feel climate change is a really important issue and should be the one that our esteemed politicians should be acting on and discussing but they aren’t. I’m in no way part of this group but, with some reservations, applaud their efforts and hope it does bring the issue to the fore. It does highlight how far our police resources are stretched that they can’t be stopped though. If you don’t live or work in the capital you probably don’t care about the protest , but hopefully you do care about the issues, and these protests it may be coming to a town near you. What do others think?
Hopefully they are finding places to refill their water bottles. Everyone has to drink.
Funny you should say that Grammaretto we have been out for lunch today and
steak a cheval featured a couple of times on the menu. Not on my plate I hasten to add.
I notice in the photos of the protesters that many of them have plastic water bottles and carrierbags! I say no more. 
Can we be sure that litter picking up (which many people do anyway) is more important than bringing environmental issues and demands into the public arena?
Anyone know the answer to my question? I would be really interested to know where the information can be found.
You can actually live a HAPPY life without half the things we deem so important. Been there, done that with perfect contentment!
How many earths do we need? This may not be perfect and may be out of date, but it gives an idea:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33133712
Good suggestion Callistemon re. your last paragraph. I also hate seeing our environment and countryside being littered by thoughtless people who just don't care.
joelsnan
Population explosion is a very good point and a very hard issue to tackle with balancing religious and cultural norms. You are quite right it is the elephant in the room.
I hear offen about draconian measures needed but as your lasso on the demo suggested we have to ration air travel while he’s outed as jetting around the world on daddies cash.
‘We are all in this together’ usually means the working classes are punished and the rich the celebs and the politicians are not.
This demo has shown this exact issue. Punished the poor.
At least this area of central London must contain some of the richest businesses and residents in the country. I wonder just how many workers in that area are on zero hours contracts. And how many jobs really have been lost.
How can I get that information?
We in the so-called developed countries are far bigger consumers of world resources than those in poorer countries. It should be us controlling our population rather than those who maybe have bigger families.And fewer pets!!
I saw hundreds of fields full of horses and fields full of daffodils whilst in Cornwall. We don't eat either.
I think most of us on here can remember that too.
I think our government is probably more aware than many around the world but still can learn from some others.
Again I will repeat - just because I may not agree with this method of protesting does not mean I do not think that action is required.
Perhaps these thousands of people may have done better spending the Easter weekend litter picking and recycling the rubbish - and getting film crews to follow them as they did that, showing what a filthy country we now live in.
Just wondering whether I should bother to answer you Gonegirl
and have decided probably not .
I certainly don’t live a perfect life, but don’t think that means I can’t want action for change, even if it’s uncomfortable. Draconian measures may be necessary which won’t be popular but government has got to wake up to the climate emergency. There are deniers who don’t admit that human activity has anything to do with it( i.e. it’s all natural). Maybe us older people who can remember life without so many cars, cheap air travel, plastic everything, can show that life is possible, if less convenient, without every luxury on tap.
Just wondering what an elastic band powered plane has to do with the demonstrators Gillybob.
Everyone seems to vere around the elephant in the room...population explosion.
I and my family do our bit for climate change, but I am slightly suspicious that this "protest" is in Uni/College/School holidays..........not disrupting their work/education but is stopping lots of folk going about their daily life/getting to their place of work.
Much better to use your/their vote at the balllot box?
Well said Mycatisahacker!
I have been thinking much the same.
This is too important to be just criticising others for being imperfect humans.
We should be encouraging all efforts to bring about change from consuming less ourselves to helping world leaders to see how they can effect change. There's room for more than one campaign.
error: too not to busy
I am absolutely not “making light of global warming” . I am making light of the hypocrites dancing around London which is very different .
You clearly don’t know me one iota Gonegirl ( thank goodness ) that’s it really.
I find it incredible that those of a certain age, and it is gransnet, seem incapable of understanding that all posters and indeed most of the country are worried and concerned about climate change and want to help and want politicians to
Focus on this but equally criticise this protest as it costs jobs and income in the poorest of society.
In my experience only teenagers see things in black and white! Surely you mature to see things from other people’s perspective as you get older. Or you should do.
Surely you mature to accept there has to be a balance and a sense of what’s acceptable and can then assimilate.
I do like the notion of one of the organisers, a super Dr from leafy Stroud, Glos, which incidentally happens to be one, if not the greenest town in England. Anyway, moving on from that trivia, whilst she was being interviewed by Nick Robinson, she suggested that the harrassed workers trying to earn their crust "take the day off" to join them, how jolly it all sounds, although Nick did seem to blow a gasket somewhat, how rude
clearly doesn't appreciate the sacrifice of driving all the way to London to make a bloody nuisance of themselves to highlight the problem of deadly emissions , not to mention Emma cutting her Ellen de Generes interview to a minimum so she too could jet in from LA to join them. I did run that past one of my sons, who no doubt a decade or so ago, espousing his support for Green demos etc. this sort of thing would have been right up his street when he had more time on his hands to ponce about on pavements with tents, could do that," I'm sure your employers would be only too happy for you to give up a day for such a worthy cause" says I . "Absolutely Not! we're all way to busy" came the emphatic reply. I don't know....some of them are just proper boring once they leave Neverland 
I always buy loose fruit and veg and it goes straight in my hessian bag/, however, regarding the wider issue, I do think that politicians could take note of EP when he sang 'A little less conversation a little more action please'.
I'm sure a vast majority of the protesters have a secure income to allow them to be away from their employment (if they have any) and away from their families are they students on Easter leave/teachers etc.
The companies they have disrupted have had to lay off lots and lots of people,delivery drivers and the like who work on zero hours contract so those poor people will be without income and have to go cap in hand for more benefits to make up the loss of earnings.I feel London must be the laughing stock of the World.
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