The priest at Lyras funeral

No you don’t get it gg. It’s the hypocrisy.

Sorry maryelisa- I get it now. Just read the Letter to 14 year old self' - how moving. And yes, you are right, and yes, it is so so relevant here.

I do understand what you mean maryeliza. Still don't think her sexuality need be discussed on a thread about her funeral. Or about anything else actually. That's her business, no one else's. Just sounds like a chance to moan about the RC church. Start a thread.

<yawn> maryeliza

<sigh> ab.

I have a sort of "belief" but feel mainly unhappy against organised religion, a feeling that was compounded by the bloody awful "pastor" that my ex husband put in charge when F2f ganged himself (Mrs P, it's quite a long way or me to come to discuss the funeral arrangements for your son, perhaps we could meet in a coffee shop halfway?)

However, I suppose I can sort of explain it like this,

Round white thing in the sky, Sun or moon, take your pick.

Same thing all over the world, but different name in each language.

Supreme being (if there is one) God, Buddha, Jehova, etc, I'm sure you get my drift.

You clearly don’t get my point gg. It’s about hypocrisy and where non-acceptance of people’s rights to love sits with telling politicians how to behave.

Really maryeliza you personally know every RC priest?
I think not.

Well to be fair, doesn’t support their right to physically express their love. Being able so to do is a pretty fundamental right imo

I should hope he didn't ab. Why would anyone's sexuality be discussed at their funeral.

I don't get this thread.

No RC priest supports gay rights ab get real.

She wrote the letter on the impact of growing up in Belfast where homophobia is rife in all churches. Her friends say she was not religious. The priest was RC and refuses to accept that gay people have a right to love each other. My posts are about the hypocrisy of telling others ( in this case politicians) to behave better. She was made very unhappy by how she was made to feel about her sexuality for most of her sadly very short life.

Did the priest speak of her sexuality today ? I didn’t hear this.

Has he said he does or doesn’t support gay rights ?

That's what I was thinking ab.

Lyras was Anglican. And surely her murder not her sexuality was in people’s minds today

maryelisa- now I see what you mean. Did the Priest say that? I didn't see all of it.

My father favourite sister, born 1910, was a devout Catholic and realised as a teenager that she was gay- but suppressed it 'for her faith'. She did eventually fall madly in love in her late 30s - and committed suicide a couple of years later as she could not suppress her feelings any longer - but could not go against the condemnation of the Priests. Of course she must have known that suicide was a crime in their eyes- but she had a nervous breakdown. I never knew her- but she was very talented and had lots of friends who often told me how great she was. I found out she had committed suicide from an aunt in the States only a few years ago, and tried to ask dad- but he denied it and made it clear he didn't want to talk about it. How sad.

The priest was RC - I don’t think the place where he spoke changed what he believes

‘Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that ‘homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered’. They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved” (Catechism 2357).’

Try growing up gay and RC with that

Arlene only stood up when she was nudged to do so. And she didn’t join in the clapping.

Body language eh jura2?

The priest was superb and said what all right thinking people want to hear.

I may be old fashioned but I didn’t think one clapped in church?

Times have changed.

The funeral was held in an Anglican Church

Thanks cat - I hope I’ve explained my mixed feelings. Like many on here I have several gay friends in loving relationships and really cannot accept the right of any religion to want to deny their right to love.

I mean is it tacitly ok or outright condemned? Neither is good of course

Are things changing on the Catholic Church do you think?