Liberal Democrats

I think the slogan is excellent and captures the essence of what this Remainer, and I suspect most others, thinks about Brexit. Yes, it’s coarse and perhaps crass but I think it’s effective - which is what matters now I think.

I’ve noticed that the criticism is coming predominantly from Leave supporting bodies and Change UK who perhaps wish they’d thought of it first. I understand that there’s an alternative slogan available for anyone of a more sensitive or refined nature,

And petra as regards the Lib Dem’s ‘Bollocks to Brexit’ slogan,

I've heard worse.

"We're all in this together" springs to mind, that was genuinely offensive.

petra I agree - very misjudged and smacking of desperation. Who on earth thought that was a good idea?

Thanks petra for answering Nonnie

Actually though I more wondered what the Greens thought about all the subterfuge (illegality). We’re they happy to brush it under the carpet?

I can’t recall their take on the scandal.

How vulgar like something Trump would use lol, might upset a few Lib Dem supporters on GN who think they are a cut above The Brexit Party supporters.

Does anyone have an opinion on the Lib Dems slogan Bollocks to Brexit ?
Another sad example of Vince getting it wrong ?

Nonnie
In 2010 the eu commission were told that the German car industry were lying about the diesel emissions.
Why, simple, money.

This is a European Election that the LibDems are campaigning for, not a national election.

As I, for one, have already explained, Guy Verhofstadt is the elected leader of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe group and our Liberal Democrats are one of the national parties in the ALDE, so he has every right to come here to support the LibDem campaign.

It's strange no mention on this thread by Lib Dem supporters or any other thread that I can see re Guy Verhofstadt supporting them.

Remain United has analysed support for the various remain parties and advises all remainers to support the SNP in Scotland, Plaid Cymru in Wales and the Liberal Democrats in evey part of England.

Voting for one remain party in your region should reduce the number of seats Brexit supporting parties win.

Analysis and research undertaken between the 1 – 7 May 2019 by Electoral Calculus and pollster ComRes suggests the following regional tactical voting in the EU elections.

Urmston I didn't know that, I thought it was German car makers. Please would you provide a link? Thanks

I shall vote Libdem . My heart is with the Greens but I must be tactical.

No answer to your question I see Urmstongran obviously the EU have been deceitful but Remain EU poster don't want to comment I wonder why.

Guy Verhofstadt over here campaigning with the Lib Dems for their EU election campaign that will be a vote winner not ? especially after The Inside Story programme on Brexit negotiations.

Just out of curiosity - what did the Greens (and Lib Dems) think over the unlawful manipulation of the data on diesel emissions from their beloved EU?

Vince Cable has warned that Liberal Democrats are “being underestimated again” in terms of their potential to make gains in the European elections.

At a launch for the party’s election manifesto in Shoreditch, east London, its leader insisted they were “the biggest and best organised of the remain parties” in their preparations for the 23 May vote.

While climate change and cutting crime rates were high on the agenda, the event laid down the Lib Dems’ main aim to “stop Brexit” and hold a second referendum.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/09/lib-dems-are-being-underestimated-again-says-vince-cable

+704 net gains at the local elections!-

More than the Liberal Democrats have ever achieved and more than I can find in any records for the SDP and Liberals going back to 1945. (It’s just possible that, say, in a post-Orpington year the party topped 704 – do let me know if you know better.)

National vote share up-

19% projected national share of the vote for the BBC and 17% projected share for Thrasher and Rallings – i.e. what the party would have won if the whole country had been up for election. (Different methodologies are used for these calculations. That they consistently come up with similar results gives reassurance that the results are meaningful.)

More Lib Dem councils-

18 councils elected a Liberal Democrat majority this time, which depending on how you count is up 11 or 12. To explain, the straightforward 10 are Bath and North East Somerset, Chelmsford, Cotswold, Hinckley and Bosworth, Mole Valley, North Devon, North Norfolk, Teignbridge, Vale of White Horse and Winchester. The eleventh is the new council of Somerset West & Taunton. The twelfth is South Somerset, where the party was technically just short of a majority in 2015 making this time’s 22 seat majority a stonking gain. Not 22 seats; a 22 seat majority.

Those with Lib Dem holds were Eastbourne, Eastleigh, Oadby & Wigston, South Lakeland, Three Rivers and Watford.

There will be even more Lib Dem council leaders as in some councils with no overall control, the Liberal Democrats are in the driving seat for running the council.

www.markpack.org.uk/158580/just-how-good-were-the-local-election-results-for-the-lib-dems-ldn-124/#mctoc1

Yet no LibDems were invited onto Sunday's Andrew Marr show which had politicians from Conservative, Labour, Green and SDLP parties commenting. The Brexit Broadcasting Corporation at it again.

Grumppa, I have got over it as usual. My usual internet venues have toughened me up

It obviously mattered to you at tbe time, Alexa . And the false accusation mattered to me. Kind of you not to apologise.

Neither Labour nor Conservative could have "stormed through" in the local elections. Both parties have MPs, members and supporters who are divided as to what sort of Brexit, if any, they want.

The only "mainstream" party that is firmly pro the EU is the Lib Dems so they will have picked up votes from Labour and Conservative voters who wish to remain - and from voters who are just fed up with the divisions within Labour and the Conservatives and the consequent delay to sorting out Brexit.

I think it's unlikely that either Conservative or Labour would get an overall majority in a general election. If the Brexit Party and UKIP stand at a GE, they will diminish the votes of both Conservative and Labour, but Change and Greens are possibly more likely to diminish the Labour vote. I don't think the Lib Dems will be particularly powerful in such a scenario but it will be fairly chaotic - and worrying to think about what sorts of alliances may be made.

All right, Grumppa, it doesn't matter a lot.

Alexa, I did not misquote you. I copied and pasted your comment of 19.54 yesterday evening.

Apologies to kittylester.

Read my remark as recredited to its originator, dragonfly46...

Just as an aside, it isn’t correct to assert that Tories save and Labour spends.

If you go back to just after the war 1946, and look at what has happened in the years between then and now, and include the latest figures forecast in the Tories budget to 2022 -this is what you will find. The data has been extracted from the HoC library.

Tories have been in office for 48 of those years.
Borrowed a total of £1189.6 bn.
% of national debt due to Tory borrowing = 64.2%
Average borrowing for each year in office = 24.8%

Labour has been in office for 28 of those years
Borrowed total of £526.2 bn.
%of national debt due to Labour borrowing = 28.4%
Average borrowing for each year in office = 18.8%

There is an enormous amount of data, but I think the figures above begin to put the lie to bed that Tories save and Labour spends.

I have no idea what the Tories are saving for but that was not the point!

MaisieD I think you will find I made the comment about compromise - please don't slander Kitty!